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JD_Alaska · 11-17-2014, 08:55 PM

Just wondering about the one piece drive shafts if they are a worth while upgrade or not? See a few being sold and wonder why? Thoughts on G-Force VS DSS?

Thanks for any input/ thoughts

Dave

SuperchargedStealth · 11-17-2014, 11:00 PM

They're a great upgrade if you're going to be pushing more power down to the wheels. The problem with the stock DS is, as you keep launching and in some cases, flooring it at a cruising speed, when you do either of them you weaken the bolts. Over time you'll end up sheering the bolts off. With high HP cars, the two pieces won't be able to keep up with rotation and will actually twist apart in the middle. When it comes to one company over another, it comes down to personal preference, or what's available if you're looking here in the classifieds. Both offer aluminum and CF shafts, are priced similarly and have great warranties. If you plan on doing any upgrades, power wise, then this would be a good investment.

SS Blinder · 11-18-2014, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperchargedStealth

They're a great upgrade if you're going to be pushing more power down to the wheels. The problem with the stock DS is, as you keep launching and in some cases, flooring it at a cruising speed, when you do either of them you weaken the bolts. Over time you'll end up sheering the bolts off. With high HP cars, the two pieces won't be able to keep up with rotation and will actually twist apart in the middle. When it comes to one company over another, it comes down to personal preference, or what's available if you're looking here in the classifieds. Both offer aluminum and CF shafts, are priced similarly and have great warranties. If you plan on doing any upgrades, power wise, then this would be a good investment.

this, plus reduction in rotating mass by about 5-7lbs which means less drivetrain losses

Synner · 11-18-2014, 05:20 AM

To remain impartial before the eventual vendor posts; search the forum for the number of each that have had vibration issues. Then compare weights. Both do offer great customer service and stand behind their product, but if it needs to be warrantied you're still either doing the work or paying for labor.

I did the above and I have a Gforce, smooth as glass up to 150mph.

Driveshaftshop · 11-18-2014, 06:17 AM

This may help

Guibo/hanger issue with stock shaft
The stock shaft will have to start by putting the torque into the front Guibo and it
gives, then it moves down to the hanger that is very soft and will move up about .750" then back to the rear guibo and compress that one, so by the time the torque goes thru the shaft its dampened allot to the point of feeling soft or disconnected, by putting the single shaft in the car will be allot more responsive to pedal/torque input. It will have a more athletic feel and be quicker due to the lack of the soft parts being
removed.

MagnumForceGB · 11-18-2014, 10:30 AM

I just installed a DSS one piece driveshaft on Friday when I did a diff swap on my V6 A6. You will tell the difference since when you touch the throttle, it takes off instantly and hard, no lag or build up.

bmbbl be · 11-18-2014, 11:02 AM

I have a DSS 1 pc aluminum drive shaft and it reacts so much better than the stock one it is very noticeable, also livernois did my build and my combination of parts on a L99 usually had 550 rwhp,,, mine did 586 with 22's on the car and I will say the drive shaft had something to do with it !!

Big Daddy Kane · 11-18-2014, 05:12 PM

I have the DSS carbon fiber shaft, and I too have noticed a difference. Very happy with it. Too bad you can't see much of it once it's installed. Good quality.....It's a nice looking, strong looking, thick, hard shaft!! Lol.

SuperchargedStealth · 11-18-2014, 07:53 PM

Install isn't that big of a deal either. Getting the stock one out is more of a pain ass then putting one in. If it's something you're willing to do at home, then it's well worth it.

xtreme2s · 11-18-2014, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JD_Alaska

Just wondering about the one piece drive shafts if they are a worth while upgrade or not? See a few being sold and wonder why? Thoughts on G-Force VS DSS?

Thanks for any input/ thoughts

Dave

With Livernois built 2010 w/M6, I went with DSS Carbon Fiber. Did a dyno pull before / then after, picked up 9whp and lost 12wtq. No vibrations and about 4000+ miles since installed.

So impressed that I also had DSS custom make a CF shaft for my 67 Camaro. The 67 has a TH350 w/ Gear Vendors OD, with a longer overhang, the lighter CF was a perfect upgrade. While not a lot of road miles, the 67 has a lot of good autocross action. No issues

Agree to another post, these look so cool, a shame that not seen.

ripcard · 11-18-2014, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by xtreme2s

...picked up 9whp and lost 12wtq...

Wait...what? You lost torque?

JD_Alaska · 11-18-2014, 08:28 PM

Thanks for all the input everyone!! Anyone else with input on the G-Force drive shaft? I see several members selling the DSS units but not so much the G-Force, is this because more DSS units are out in our camaro s?

Synner · 11-19-2014, 03:23 AM

Bigger company with more vendors, was first to market, and they do more advertising.

halo8hkk · 11-19-2014, 01:22 PM

i have had both i started with the DSS and switch to a geforce unit when i upgraded to there 9in. they are both good. and you cant go wrong with ether one.

11-17-2014, 08:55 PM	#1
JD_Alaska Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Coupe L99 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: North Pole Alaska Posts: 393 View My Garage	One piece drive shafts Just wondering about the one piece drive shafts if they are a worth while upgrade or not? See a few being sold and wonder why? Thoughts on G-Force VS DSS? Thanks for any input/ thoughts Dave

11-17-2014, 11:00 PM	#2
SuperchargedStealth Drives: '11 Camaro Supercharged Convertible Join Date: May 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 481	They're a great upgrade if you're going to be pushing more power down to the wheels. The problem with the stock DS is, as you keep launching and in some cases, flooring it at a cruising speed, when you do either of them you weaken the bolts. Over time you'll end up sheering the bolts off. With high HP cars, the two pieces won't be able to keep up with rotation and will actually twist apart in the middle. When it comes to one company over another, it comes down to personal preference, or what's available if you're looking here in the classifieds. Both offer aluminum and CF shafts, are priced similarly and have great warranties. If you plan on doing any upgrades, power wise, then this would be a good investment. __________________ 2011 Triple Black SS convertible, LSX 427, PRC 260cc heads, Callies Ultra Billet Rods, Wiseco -20 cc piston, Callies Dragon Slayer crank, Strange Dana 60 rear w/3.73 gear ratio and driveshaft, Pfadt coilovers, Pfadt sway bars, Pfadt trailing arms, Pfadt tie rods, Pfadt subframe bushings, Vortech YSi with wastegate and twin BOV, Haltech ECU, Mantic 9000 Twin Clutch, ALKY control meth system with dual nozzle, Squash twin fuel pumps, ACS T3 ports, VIS Terminator Hood, Seibon ZL style lip.

11-18-2014, 10:30 AM	#6
MagnumForceGB Drives: Fastest 2010 Camaro V6 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Newcastle, OK Posts: 3,571 View My Garage	I just installed a DSS one piece driveshaft on Friday when I did a diff swap on my V6 A6. You will tell the difference since when you touch the throttle, it takes off instantly and hard, no lag or build up. __________________ Camaro V6 = 11.268 @ 120.11

11-18-2014, 05:12 PM	#8
Big Daddy Kane Drives: Red 1SS Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bethel Park, PA Posts: 195	I have the DSS carbon fiber shaft, and I too have noticed a difference. Very happy with it. Too bad you can't see much of it once it's installed. Good quality.....It's a nice looking, strong looking, thick, hard shaft!! Lol. __________________ Kooks LT Headers/catback exhaust, E-force supercharger, JRE fuel line upgrade, JRE differential, 3.91 LPE gears, Roto-fab intake, JRE tune, DSS Carbon Fiber driveshaft, MGW shifter, Hotchkis chassis braces

11-18-2014, 07:53 PM	#9
SuperchargedStealth Drives: '11 Camaro Supercharged Convertible Join Date: May 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 481	Install isn't that big of a deal either. Getting the stock one out is more of a pain ass then putting one in. If it's something you're willing to do at home, then it's well worth it. __________________ 2011 Triple Black SS convertible, LSX 427, PRC 260cc heads, Callies Ultra Billet Rods, Wiseco -20 cc piston, Callies Dragon Slayer crank, Strange Dana 60 rear w/3.73 gear ratio and driveshaft, Pfadt coilovers, Pfadt sway bars, Pfadt trailing arms, Pfadt tie rods, Pfadt subframe bushings, Vortech YSi with wastegate and twin BOV, Haltech ECU, Mantic 9000 Twin Clutch, ALKY control meth system with dual nozzle, Squash twin fuel pumps, ACS T3 ports, VIS Terminator Hood, Seibon ZL style lip.

11-18-2014, 05:20 AM	#4
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,545	To remain impartial before the eventual vendor posts; search the forum for the number of each that have had vibration issues. Then compare weights. Both do offer great customer service and stand behind their product, but if it needs to be warrantied you're still either doing the work or paying for labor. I did the above and I have a Gforce, smooth as glass up to 150mph.

11-18-2014, 06:17 AM	#5
Driveshaftshop Drives: own more cars than i can list Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 1,124	This may help Guibo/hanger issue with stock shaft The stock shaft will have to start by putting the torque into the front Guibo and it gives, then it moves down to the hanger that is very soft and will move up about .750" then back to the rear guibo and compress that one, so by the time the torque goes thru the shaft its dampened allot to the point of feeling soft or disconnected, by putting the single shaft in the car will be allot more responsive to pedal/torque input. It will have a more athletic feel and be quicker due to the lack of the soft parts being removed.

11-18-2014, 11:02 AM	#7
bmbbl be Drives: 2010 CAMARO SS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ohio Posts: 1,360	I have a DSS 1 pc aluminum drive shaft and it reacts so much better than the stock one it is very noticeable, also livernois did my build and my combination of parts on a L99 usually had 550 rwhp,,, mine did 586 with 22's on the car and I will say the drive shaft had something to do with it !!

11-18-2014, 08:28 PM	#12
JD_Alaska Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Coupe L99 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: North Pole Alaska Posts: 393 View My Garage	Thanks for all the input everyone!! Anyone else with input on the G-Force drive shaft? I see several members selling the DSS units but not so much the G-Force, is this because more DSS units are out in our camaro s?

11-19-2014, 03:23 AM	#13
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,545	Bigger company with more vendors, was first to market, and they do more advertising.

11-19-2014, 01:22 PM	#14
halo8hkk Drives: 2000 Z28. 2010 1SS IMB. Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,081	i have had both i started with the DSS and switch to a geforce unit when i upgraded to there 9in. they are both good. and you cant go wrong with ether one. __________________ 1990 RS = First Car -SOLD 2000 Z28 = SOLD 2010 1SS/RS = Mysstique Whipple Supercharger Dyno= 618hp 555tq at the wheels IMB Silver Stripes VIN#44025 Born: 9/9/09 Delivered: 9/28/09