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gsxrturbo · 10-26-2016, 04:49 PM

OK this is the question..I am making 604 whp now,I have BAP and zl1 pump,with ID 850s.Am I good to do a flex fuel tune,or am I going to run out of fuel?the 604 is on 91 gas.Turner said maybe another 40hp.Thoughts??

dreksnot · 10-26-2016, 05:29 PM

Don't think so. You'll need more fuel just to hit the same power, and I'm presume you're already at your limit there.

1KillerSS · 10-26-2016, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dreksnot

Don't think so. You'll need for fuel just to hit the same power, and I'm presume you're already at your limit there.

Ya, not enough, need more everything.

JANNETTYRACING · 10-27-2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by gsxrturbo

OK this is the question..I am making 604 whp now,I have BAP and zl1 pump,with ID 850s.Am I good to do a flex fuel tune,or am I going to run out of fuel?the 604 is on 91 gas.Turner said maybe another 40hp.Thoughts??

You need 30% more fuel flow to make the same power.

If you want to make 650 on pump fuel your system is OK.

If you want to move to flex fuel you will need a complete Squash or Fore fuel system, Flex fuel sensor kit, and ID-1300s. then 10-12 hours of labor to install everything, then custom tuning.

I am always available to help with builds.

Ted.

Ls1408cp · 10-27-2016, 10:28 AM

how far can 1300s go on e85?

JANNETTYRACING · 10-27-2016, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ls1408cp

how far can 1300s go on e85?

It would depend on fuel pressure, auto or manual, but at 4 bar around 1000 RWHP

gsxrturbo · 10-27-2016, 09:43 PM

the tuner wanted to do a flex fuel tune,glad I didn't do it.What would I need if I added more boost with the 91 fuel,meth?I can get another 3pds of boost if I pull the restricter in the filter

JANNETTYRACING · 10-28-2016, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gsxrturbo

the tuner wanted to do a flex fuel tune,glad I didn't do it.What would I need if I added more boost with the 91 fuel,meth?I can get another 3pds of boost if I pull the restricter in the filter

There is nothing wrong with adding one of our flex fuel sensors and turning on the switches so the computer can see ethanol content in the fuel, if done properly the overall drive ability will be better and maybe find a couple HP.

Adding more boost requires more fuel, If you add one of our FPCM your fuel pump can handle up to 700 RWHP of fuel supply on E10 gasoline.

Where you are limited is Octane at this point.

If E85 is available although the initial investment is large the safety, and HP benefits are well justified.

The Octane, and cooling effect make it very easy to run 13 PSI on an otherwise stock engine.

For this you would need a Fore or Squash return style fuel system rated for at least 1K hp on E-85, a set of ID-1300 injectors.

Meth kits are an option but higher risk and more baby sitting than I would want.

A true Flex fuel conversion is the best option with the parts I mentioned.

Feel free to give me a call and I can answer all your questions and help you decide what is best for you.

Ted.

gsxrturbo · 10-28-2016, 12:50 PM

thank you guy!!! curt

Sun Car Nut · 10-28-2016, 12:50 PM

+1 for Ted

2010_camaro · 10-28-2016, 01:24 PM

I made 650 whp on 10lbs with 93 only. Zl1 pump and fast 85# injectors. No BAP. My pump was basically maxed out tho.

JANNETTYRACING · 10-28-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010_camaro

I made 650 whp on 10lbs with 93 only. Zl1 pump and fast 85# injectors. No BAP. My pump was basically maxed out tho.

More than likely why your engine failed.

Not Proper fuel pump control module and Less than desirable injectors.

Sorry for your loss.

Ls1408cp · 10-28-2016, 06:04 PM

I'm pretty sure he had twin 450s when it popped. Car made 889rwhp. I'll let him finish the story.

silverz28 · 10-30-2016, 08:50 PM

I have FAST 85# injectors with Fore Inovations twin pumps and Meth with Flex fuel sensor and making 675 rear wheel running E85. 12 to 13 lb's of boost. I think I'm maxed out tho. The pumps and labor are expensive.

10-26-2016, 04:49 PM	#1
gsxrturbo Drives: 2010 ss Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: windom mn Posts: 337	flex fuel on ecs at 604rwhp OK this is the question..I am making 604 whp now,I have BAP and zl1 pump,with ID 850s.Am I good to do a flex fuel tune,or am I going to run out of fuel?the 604 is on 91 gas.Turner said maybe another 40hp.Thoughts??

10-26-2016, 05:29 PM	#2
dreksnot Served USN - Atomic Chimp Drives: 13 Camaro LSX434 TT M6, 21 ZLE A10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,605 View My Garage	Don't think so. You'll need more fuel just to hit the same power, and I'm presume you're already at your limit there. __________________ In excess of 1,000WHP LSX434 \| AGP 65/65 TT \| BTR Equalizer Intake \| Trickflow 245cc cathedral \| BTR custom cam \| Cortex EBC \| n2mb WOT \| ID-1700x \| Brisk GR12S \| RPM Lv 7 TR6060 \| AGP's Triple 525LPH Fore Fuel \| Monster LT1-S Triple \| 4.11 DSS Proform 9", CF driveshaft, 1400hp axles \| Hurst Line Lock \| MGW Retro Short Throw w/old skool Hurst T-handle \| ADM solid subframe mounts \| Prothane Motor Mounts \| Revshift Poly Trans insert \| Moreno camber/caster plates Last edited by dreksnot; 10-26-2016 at 05:45 PM.

10-27-2016, 10:28 AM	#5
Ls1408cp Drives: 14 1le turbo Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Ofallon Mo Posts: 159	how far can 1300s go on e85? __________________ 2014 1LE 2SS/RS Huron Speed turbo kit

10-28-2016, 01:24 PM	#11
2010_camaro Drives: 2014 Camaro SS Join Date: May 2011 Location: Florence, KY Posts: 2,238 View My Garage	I made 650 whp on 10lbs with 93 only. Zl1 pump and fast 85# injectors. No BAP. My pump was basically maxed out tho. __________________ MODS 6.0 forged iron block, TH400, B&M shifter, DSS axles & driveshaft, Viking / BMR suspension, Full custom fuel system with cell, Twin 76mm teriyaki tornados on 24lbs. https://www.instagram.com/whoopa_ss/

10-28-2016, 06:04 PM	#13
Ls1408cp Drives: 14 1le turbo Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Ofallon Mo Posts: 159	I'm pretty sure he had twin 450s when it popped. Car made 889rwhp. I'll let him finish the story. __________________ 2014 1LE 2SS/RS Huron Speed turbo kit

10-27-2016, 09:43 PM	#7
gsxrturbo Drives: 2010 ss Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: windom mn Posts: 337	the tuner wanted to do a flex fuel tune,glad I didn't do it.What would I need if I added more boost with the 91 fuel,meth?I can get another 3pds of boost if I pull the restricter in the filter

10-28-2016, 12:50 PM	#9
gsxrturbo Drives: 2010 ss Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: windom mn Posts: 337	thank you guy!!! curt

10-28-2016, 12:50 PM	#10
Sun Car Nut Drives: 2010 Exige S260 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 5	+1 for Ted

10-30-2016, 08:50 PM	#14
silverz28 Drives: 1996 Camaro Z28, 2012 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 279	I have FAST 85# injectors with Fore Inovations twin pumps and Meth with Flex fuel sensor and making 675 rear wheel running E85. 12 to 13 lb's of boost. I think I'm maxed out tho. The pumps and labor are expensive. __________________ 2012 2SS/RS IOM, LS3, Aftermarket Hurst shifter, IOM interior, Borla "S", 1 7/8 Big Flow headers, ADM Race cold air, BMR 1" lowering springs, SLP Supercharger, Custom Comp Cam, Fore Innovations twin pumps, Flex Fuel Sensor