CTS-V Motor Swap Questions (CTS-V Camaro)

[2010 Bumblebee]

I was thinking of putting a maggie on my camaro, but a CTS-V crate motor might be a better option for a couple of reasons like;

I can keep my factory motor and put it back.

Basically I'm going to get the same power as if I put a maggie, but with stonger internal parts.

The CTS-V motor is complete, and probably comes with a warantee !!

Does anyone know if the CTS-V motor goes directly into the camaro with no addtional mods.

For example the all the wiring is the same?
All the plugs are there?

Does the airbox line up? The CTS-V looks like it is off the the side.
Does a CTS-V airbox fit in a camaro ?

Any known issues? or unknown variables?

Anything else you can think of??

Has anyone done it?
Have you done it?

Any pics?

Any swap llinks?

CTS-V crate motor links.

http://www.gmperformanceparts.com/En...1708&engCat=ls

http://gmperformancemotor.com/Mercha..._Code=19211708

http://paceperformance.com/index.asp...&ProdID=249801

[SonnyakaPig]

Why don't you just build your motor with forged internals ($6,000) and install the Maggie ($6,500)?

I think LSA's go for $15,000. I'm not sure on that, though. So you could really save a bit of money.

I do wonder if you installed the LSA, whether you would still have a powertrain warranty with your Camaro?

Btw, I think it would be cool to install the LSA, I was just posting another alternative. You could probably get more power out of the forged internal/Maggie setup that I suggested. I'm pretty sure the Maggie is bigger than the blower on the LSA.

Or you could install the Harrop on the L99 with some forged internals inside and make around the same power (and probably more torque) than the LSA.

Regarding the air intake question -- whether the CAI of the LSA would line up in the Camaro? I think you could always make an air intake fit, even if it was custom made. And if you tuned the ECM (which you almost certainly would), the air intake that you made fit would still work well.

[StangKiller818]

im pretty sure it can be done but it will cost you a arm and a leg. if you have the money i say do it. it will be a sweet project.

[brandotron]

The writing's on the wall--the LSA will be in the Z28. If you have that kinda coin and are worried about warranty, you should think about trading in the SS when the Z comes out.

[Crowley]

If your going to do all of that go with a fully forged lsx engine not the LSA .. .. that is what I would do

Crowley

[2010 Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by SonnyakaPig

Why don't you just build your motor with forged internals ($6,000) and install the Maggie ($6,500)?

Btw, I think it would be cool to install the LSA, I was just posting another alternative. You could probably get more power out of the forged internal/Maggie setup that I suggested. I'm pretty sure the Maggie is bigger than the blower on the LSA.

All true !

Originally Posted by brandotron

The writing's on the wall--the LSA will be in the Z28. If you have that kinda coin and are worried about warranty, you should think about trading in the SS when the Z comes out.

Good Point , I thought of that, but don't really want to give up my TFE camaro. I'm sure it would cost me that same in the end.

Originally Posted by Crowley

If your going to do all of that go with a fully forged lsx engine not the LSA .. .. that is what I would do

Crowley

I'm just throwing ideas out there. I'll probably just end up tossing the maggie on the top. Same result, a lot less money. Just not as stong of a lower end, but by then we should know if a factory L99 really holds up with a maggie on the top.

[Muscle Master]

Ugh ... having the LSA in the Camaro is cool but going to add some weight

Last time I checked... the Bitch had 7 radiators from what I read

Then you need the Transmission upgraded ... bigger brakes

imho ... take it to LPE, they will do you rite

[brandotron]

Originally Posted by 2010 Bumblebee

Good Point , I thought of that, but don't really want to give up my TFE camaro. I'm sure it would cost me that same in the end.

Ah, didn't see that you have a TFE. LSA might be the way to go for you then, but check out the Edelbrock supercharger--very similar in design to the one on the LSA and it's safe to use with your existing bottom end.

[WeeZee]

Honestly if u have that kind of money just go get a C6 Z06 and dominate after a cam, cai & full exhaust
It would be cheaper to build ur motor, go Single tubo kit instead of a supercharger

[Mister HP]

We can help figure this out if it's really the way you want to go. I have extensive experience with the CTSV and the Camaro, and it is way to involved to post in one shot! Feel free to call the shop and discuss 260-724-7792

Ed

[radz28]

Intercooler cover needs to be modified. I'm sure there are going to be some wiring harness alterations and definately fuel system changes (dual-pressure system system like the ZR1 has). I think CamaroSpike23 was working with Uncle Robin on the transformation on Uncle's car.

I see your TFE and don't blame you Good luck with the project and keep us posted!

[ron10]

[OldJedi]

A question just slightly off the mark. Is the 556 HP rating of the CTS-V Caddy a RWHP rating or a flywheel rating?

[radz28]

Originally Posted by OldJedi

A question just slightly off the mark. Is the 556 HP rating of the CTS-V Caddy a RWHP rating or a flywheel rating?

Flywheel. It seems like (at least from the several numbers I found on-line) that, depending on tranny, LSAs are putting from about 440-490 to the ground. I don't believe, power-wise, you'll get the same power, stock-for-stock, with a TVS 2300 LS3; maybe closer with an L99, but not the LS3. It looks like LS3s don't even sweat making 500 RWHP with the OEM airbox and completely stock exhaust at about 6-7 psi. LSAs are pushing about up to 9.5 psi with a TVS 1900 rotor set. I think the supercharger base is probably a little better flowing in a Maggy TVS kit, too, since it's blowing straight down into the heads, whereas the CTS-V's blowing up, through the intercooler, into an upper manifold (so-to-speak) and then the charge circulates down and into the heads.

There's no argument, from me, that LSA has a better foundation, but I don't want you to be suprised, power-wise.