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Old 06-30-2009, 09:46 AM   #113
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Easy for me since the cars are similar but so different.

Flip flops, or my 2 toddlers with me, or heavy traffic = SRT8
Solo thru Hill country = GT500

Too bad I don't have any kids yet.......If I did though I would have to drive around in the wife's import mostly since it is more of a luxury 4 door. Tried to talk her into a SRT-8 Charger but I lost the battle. War is not over though, I think she wants to get a Genesis or a VW CC. I buy all American but can't get her to, but a happy wife leads to a happy life.....lol.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:09 AM   #114
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Just found this article which pretty much mirrors every other article on the web and general knowledge about the car. It is on the Car and Driver website. A brief excerpt says the following:

''So, How Fast is It?

The quickest of the new Camaros is the SS model with the automatic gearbox, which sprints to 60 mph in 4.6 seconds. While this is 0.2 second better than the more powerful, manual-equipped car’s time of 4.8, the off-the-line advantage quickly fades, with the manual tripping the quarter-mile lights in 13 seconds flat at 111 mph versus the auto’s 13.1 at 109. As the arrival of the Camaro brings the modern pony car wars into full swing, it only makes sense to compare the SS to the 315-hp 2010 Mustang GT and the 376-hp Dodge Challenger R/T, both of which manage the 0-to-60-mph run in 5.1 seconds. The 425-hp Challenger SRT8 is a better match for the SS at 4.8 seconds, yet is considerably more expensive than the Camaro''...................So it was 2 MPH's faster in the 1/4, that is not enough to run away from the Auto and the Auto would eventually catch up. I know it is an article but it states what all the others do and what I have personally seen. The times for the cars are always different but the outcomes are almost always the same as stated. With drivers that know what they are doing, the auto has its quicker spots where the manual has its quicker spots. Neither one is inferior or superior to the other. OPINIONS may differ on which is more fun or which they like better, but not in the numbers provided by most. And lastly, at the track I have been hitting these advertised 13.1 quarter mile times so I know it is right on.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:40 AM   #115
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Agree, but the price point of the GT500 is very close to the SRT8....

GT500>Camaro SS>Challenger SRT8>Challenger R/T>Mustang GT>Camaro V6
Ah I forgot the GT500, So this is correct.

Although its really ridiculous the prices on the upper cars are compared to the camaro. I saw an SRT-8 Challenger at my local dealer and he wanted 49k for it. Shit, I got my fully-loaded 2SS/RS manual for only 35,400.

Not to preach to the choir or hate on other vehicles, I just do not think that can be beat
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:25 AM   #116
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Stock GT? What year? I *think* with a good driver the R/T would win against any year but the 2010.
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And after driving both cars, id go with no. The GT is a ton lighter, sounds better and pulls harder. The R/T would be an amazing car if it was 600lbs less. It pulled, made noise, but the power just didnt feel like it was there. Mostly due to the weight issue. SRT8 just feels like it pulls alot harder, and the bigger HEMI has a ton more aftermarket potential. No point in buying a Challenger that doesnt say SRT. IMO.





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My opinions:

Camaro SS>Challenger SRT8>Challenger R/T>Mustang GT>Camaro V6

I thought this was pretty widely accepted by the street racing world, but I guess not.

Eh, at least we all beat the ricers.


GT500 > Camaro SS > SRT > GT > R/T


Dont know how ANYONE could pick the R/T over a GT. The GT is faster, outhandles the R/T, lighter, better aftermarket, better interior design/quality, yadda yadda yadda...


For 2010.


For 2011 there are rumors of the chally getting an engine upgrade, as well as the 5.0L coming for the GT so who knows how this will get shaken up.


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Easy for me since the cars are similar but so different.

Flip flops, or my 2 toddlers with me, or heavy traffic = SRT8
Solo thru Hill country = GT500

Which car do you enjoy more?
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:11 PM   #117
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Which car do you enjoy more?
SRT8 vs. GT500? Hmmm. The GT500 is a blast to drive, power like a Leer jet, good handling, manual transmission. The SRT8 is more like a traditional muscle car feel (which I love). Gobs of torque, noise, and smoke. The SRT8 is a compelling package, with a Mercedes-like ride, spacious and comfortable interior, and able to run very low 13's at 109 off the factory floor. If I could have only one car, it would be the SRT8. If the GT500 came with only 450HP and no SuperCharger or forged internals, I would pick the SRT8. However, the GT500 is a bit more 'fun' as it is currently designed.
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Hey sleet...question: Are the Daytona packages SRT8's ? or R/T's ? I always wondered about that...
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And after driving both cars, id go with no. The GT is a ton lighter, sounds better and pulls harder. The R/T would be an amazing car if it was 600lbs less. It pulled, made noise, but the power just didnt feel like it was there. Mostly due to the weight issue. SRT8 just feels like it pulls alot harder, and the bigger HEMI has a ton more aftermarket potential. No point in buying a Challenger that doesnt say SRT. IMO.


Dont know how ANYONE could pick the R/T over a GT. The GT is faster, outhandles the R/T, lighter, better aftermarket, better interior design/quality, yadda yadda yadda...
The R/T 6-spd has more power than the automatic and can be much lighter than the SRT8 if you opt for the 27F package, and it's over $10,000 less. I can't understand why anyone would buy the SRT8.

The R/T looks so much better than the GT, you're correct on your other points
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:27 PM   #120
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Hey sleet...question: Are the Daytona packages SRT8's ? or R/T's ? I always wondered about that...
2009 model changed things up a bit.... before then a Daytona was an R/T with 10 more HP.... I think the below is accurate thru 2009.


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2WD Charger R/T, Auto, 5.7, 340HP, (2.82:1)
2WD Charger R/T Daytona, Auto, 5.7, 350HP, (2.82:1)
Charger SRT8, Auto, 6.1, 425HP, (3.06:1)



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AWD Charger R/T, Auto, 5.7, 368HP, (3.06:1)
2WD Charger R/T, Auto, 5.7, 368HP, (2.65:1)
2WD Charger Daytona,5.7,Auto, 372HP, (3.06:1)
Challenger R/T, Auto, 5.7, 376HP, (3.06:1)
Challenger R/T, Manual, 5.7, 376HP, (3.73 - 18''s)
Challenger R/T w track pack, Manual, 5.7, 376HP, (3.92 - 20''s)

Charger SRT8, Auto, 6.1, 425HP, (3.06:1)
Challenger SRT8, Auto, 6.1,425HP,(3.06:1)
Challenger SRT8, Manual, 6.1, 425HP, (3.92:1)
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SRT8 vs. GT500? Hmmm. The GT500 is a blast to drive, power like a Leer jet, good handling, manual transmission. The SRT8 is more like a traditional muscle car feel (which I love). Gobs of torque, noise, and smoke. The SRT8 is a compelling package, with a Mercedes-like ride, spacious and comfortable interior, and able to run very low 13's at 109 off the factory floor. If I could have only one car, it would be the SRT8. If the GT500 came with only 450HP and no SuperCharger or forged internals, I would pick the SRT8. However, the GT500 is a bit more 'fun' as it is currently designed.
Ya I love that traditional muscle car feel... If I wanted a handling sports car why would I be looking at Muscle Cars?


But one thing caught be off guard, you said the GT500 has 'leer' jet power, but noted the SRT for its Torque... Which one has the seat/pants award for feeling faster and pulling harder?



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The R/T 6-spd has more power than the automatic and can be much lighter than the SRT8 if you opt for the 27F package, and it's over $10,000 less. I can't understand why anyone would buy the SRT8.

The R/T looks so much better than the GT, you're correct on your other points
Uh huh... well how much power does the 6-speed add?


This didnt feel like a give it 5 more hp problem...


And yes. If you notice I left exterior styling off my list of advantages for the GT haha
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But one thing caught be off guard, you said the GT500 has 'leer' jet power, but noted the SRT for its Torque... Which one has the seat/pants award for feeling faster and pulling harder?

The GT500 is faster all around, especially from a roll. Likes to try to lift the front tires on the second gear shift. However, it is civilized power, with a very smooth engine and transmission. The SRT8 'feels' very torque-ey because it puts the power to the ground very well, and abruptly, and is just plain loud and rumbly.

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The GT500 is faster all around, especially from a roll. Likes to try to lift the front tires on the second gear shift. However, it is civilized power, with a very smooth engine and transmission. The SRT8 'feels' very torque-ey because it puts the power to the ground very well, and abruptly, and is just plain loud and rumbly.

So which feels faster
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GT500, without a doubt. It feels like a car that traps 116+ from the Factory.
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2009 model changed things up a bit.... before then a Daytona was an R/T with 10 more HP.... I think the below is accurate thru 2009.


2008
2WD Charger R/T, Auto, 5.7, 340HP, (2.82:1)
2WD Charger R/T Daytona, Auto, 5.7, 350HP, (2.82:1)
Charger SRT8, Auto, 6.1, 425HP, (3.06:1)



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AWD Charger R/T, Auto, 5.7, 368HP, (3.06:1)
2WD Charger R/T, Auto, 5.7, 368HP, (2.65:1)
2WD Charger Daytona,5.7,Auto, 372HP, (3.06:1)
Challenger R/T, Auto, 5.7, 376HP, (3.06:1)
Challenger R/T, Manual, 5.7, 376HP, (3.73 - 18''s)
Challenger R/T w track pack, Manual, 5.7, 376HP, (3.92 - 20''s)

Charger SRT8, Auto, 6.1, 425HP, (3.06:1)
Challenger SRT8, Auto, 6.1,425HP,(3.06:1)
Challenger SRT8, Manual, 6.1, 425HP, (3.92:1)
So....is a super bee a SRT8 then ? I see yours in the pic, and it looks like a srt8
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