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I do think we need to consider environmental effects more like noise on top of climate as a signal than as an entity unto itself alone. Can we do better? almost certainly. Can anything we do fix it all? Extremely doubtful, short of causing a human-extinction-level event where it wouldn't matter to us anyway. Norm
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I'll take global warming over global cooling any day. Are there any cold-houses that grow food or crops?....That is done in green-houses with artificially high temps....Populations have always been higher in warmer climates...
If you want to reduce the population around the world, just keep wishing for global cooling, which will eventually come with another ice-age or even a mini-ice-age.... One or two well placed asteroids, a few limited nuclear exchanges, a year or two of crop failures in the Mid West, pandemics and diseases from uncontrollable viruses...It won't take much, and can happen anytime in the near future....or never....but many scenarios leading to mass population deaths will likely occur long before any long range effects from any so-called man-made contributions to global warming occur. Man's time on this planet is but a blip of a few seconds over the billions of years of Earth's existence. No matter what happens, Earth will survive and everything may repeat, re-generate, and be re-born all over again... The ultimate arrogance and tyranny is the belief that a few laws, rules and regulations, economic suppression and engineering of the masses is going to save the planet somehow.. |
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The importance of NASA's clarification of "actively publishing" is that all those publications are peer reviewed. I ask readers here not to take my word and go look for themselves. They have a choice, they can read, among many others, the climate website at NASA, (that liberal, elitist organization?), there are several tabs for Evidence, Causes, Effects, Scientific Consensus, Vital Signs, and Questions (FAQ) all with supported, peer reviewed sources... or they can believe posters here at Camaro6. If NASA and the 97% of the scientific community who actually study the Earth's climate (as opposed to other scientists that don't, and wouldn't be peer reviewing papers outside of their field) are wrong, then fantastic, we worried for nothing, and perhaps we end up with more solar panels, electric cars and wind mills. I really do hope those scientists and those who are in agreement with them, are worried for nothing, this is the best possible scenario. I hope they are wrong, I hope the at best, 3% of climate scientists are right that we have nothing to worry about, and the 97% are flat out crazy liberals only looking for the next funding grant. If the 97% are right, then it is possible that our future generations will have to find another planet to live on. I really hope that my son and his children and on and on aren't faced with that reality. You can read, or not, about the consensus on consensus here, and believe them or not, we are free to make our own choices. http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10...26/11/4/048002 Kind Regards to everyone here at Camaro6.
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I unsubscribed from this. This ain't what I signed up for
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I'm curious, had I not chimed in, would you have still unsubscribed?
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What does peer reviewed mean anymore? Do you know that our legislators in D.C. often pass legislation without even reading it? How is it that "peer reviewed" climate change models were published as the gospel truth, until another scientist who wasn't one of their group caught a glaring math error on the very front page of their report? Peer reviewed doesn't mean what it used to because we no longer have a society that values honor and integrity the way we used to. We're at a point in our society where you almost have to question EVERYthing. The old X-Files tag line of "trust no one" is almost no joke anymore. Quote:
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All the old safeguards that helped us tell what could be trusted are pretty much gone now. People with no moral compass are attaining power at every level, and are seeking to basically take over the world. The strain between those trying to hold things together and those who are trying to take over the world is palpable. Either the barbarians at the gate succeed in battering down the gate and pillaging the city inside, or the gates hold and the city is saved. Your view on all this is going to depend on which side of the gate you're on. In their minds, both sides are equally righteous; both sides are "right"; both sides righteously view the other side as the 'enemy'; both sides can cite endless reasons to justify their attitudes and behavior. No amount of talk or web links is going to change anyone's view or opinion. That's just the way it is now, which is pretty much why nothing is being solved nor is it going to be solved. Meanwhile, back at the ranch... what can GM do to survive? Their car sales are dismal. What can they do to fix that other than just abandon it, think SUV's and trucks are going to save them, and accept an even lower marketshare than they already have?
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Back to the original topic, this is quite disappointing. I know my wife is just one person, but she prefers the compact sedans over other cars. She has owned a Mazda 3 and two Ford Focus' and now when it comes time for her next car, she has no choices but to go foreign. She wasn't a fan of the 3 and has loved her Focus' and really enjoyed the Cruze we got as a rental once. With the fact that Dodge no longer makes the Dart, Ford killed the Focus, and now Chevy is killing the Cruze with no compact sedans replacing them, her only choice is to go to manufacturers she really doesn't want unless she changes her opinion on wanting something other than a compact sedan. I know she is just one person, but I imagine there are a lot like her, unfortunately there just weren't enough. I guess she just has to keep hope that a new compact sedan is introduced when she decides she wants a new car or the more likely she will have to look into other options that she just doesn't like.
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I guess this is going to happen today...
http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...-ohio-senators WASHINGTON — General Motors CEO Mary Barra is scheduled to meet Ohio senators Sherrod Brown and Robert Portman on Capitol Hill Wednesday afternoon to discuss the automakers' decision to idle four U.S. plants and potentially cut more than 14,000 salaried and hourly workers across the company. Brown, a Democrat who won re-election last month, and Portman, a Republican, said in a statement they will press Barra to save the Lordstown, Ohio, assembly plant, which currently assembles the Chevy Cruze sedan. GM also announced it would cease production of the Buick LaCrosse, Chevy Volt, Cadillac CT6 and Chevy Impala at its Detroit-Hamtramck Assembly plant during the first half of next year, as well as a plant in Ontario and powertrain facilities in Maryland and Michigan. It said the streamlining is necessary to align with falling consumer demand for sedans and to shift resources to electric and autonomous vehicle development. "We have the best workers in the world in Ohio, and I'm proud of the workers at Lordstown," said Portman. "They have proven themselves time and again, and Sen. Brown and I will continue to fight on their behalf. I look forward to continuing our engagement with GM. I hope the company sees the incredible potential in this plant, by keeping it open and bringing other production back to the Valley." GM's decision has met with strong criticism from lawmakers in Michigan and Ohio who say GM needs to protect its workers, who were not consulted in advance, after the company got a taxpayer bailout and union concessions to keep it afloat 10 years ago. UAW President Gary Jones on Monday said the union will fight to keep the plants open. Under the existing contract, GM cannot close union-represented plants except under extreme circumstances and union leaders say a sales dip does not constitute an emergency. "Today, we wrote to GM formally objecting to its unilateral decision regarding four U.S. manufacturing facilities. There are issues related to this and to collective bargaining that we cannot discuss in detail at this point," Jones said in a statement. "But UAW members across this country are committed to using every means available to us on behalf of our brothers and sisters at Lordstown, Hamtramck, Baltimore and Warren, MI. UAW members and U.S. taxpayers invested in GM during their darkest days. Now it is time for them to invest in us!" GM has said line workers will have the opportunity to move to busier plants and left open the possibility that new models could still be substituted at the targeted factories, which some analysts consider a way to play off union locals against each other to gain concessions. GM also plans after Jan. 1 to cut about 6,000 white-collar employees after 2,250 people with 12 years or more experience accepted buyouts. Spokesman Patrick Morrissey confirmed that the automaker will also be eliminating a quarter of its executive headcount. Barra also is excepted to meet with members of the Michigan congressional delegation Wednesday or Thursday. Meanwhile, Maryland's two U.S. senators, Ben Cardin and Chris Van Hollen, and four other members of Congress from the state wrote Barra on Friday asking her for a meeting about the company's plans to close a facility near Baltimore that received more than $100 million in federal subsidies. "Closing a productive plant when GM has accepted significant public assistance and has reported healthy third-quarter profits of $2.5 billion is an example of extremely poor corporate citizenship," the lawmakers wrote. GM is not the only automaker under the gun in Washington this week. On Tuesday, top executives from Volkswagen Group, Daimler AG and BMW AG will meet with Trump administration officials at the White House about potential tariffs on auto imports from Germany. President Trump has refrained from moving ahead on tariff threats against Europe under a truce between the European Union and the U.S. to hold wide-ranging talks to liberalize trans-Atlantic trade. |
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GM is dying, I just hope Ford goes first. FCA is one big recall away from drowning in red ink. Especially since they have been trying to sell Dodge, and no one wants it.
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