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Also, to further add on to what you posted, the harmonic mean increases the importance of vehicles with low efficiency compared to a simple average. So it ends up that it is more important for an automaker to get a 2 mpg improvement on something that gets say 20 mpg than it is to get a 4 mpg gain on a car already getting 40 mpg. I think this is going to result in a lot more diesels in trucks and SUVs, particularly for the Detroit automakers who are very truck heavy compared to the imports.
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A CAFE was just a place I ate at until I read this thread.
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Cafe means brown in spanish. Shit is brown too. End thread. Lol
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Thanks again for the objective responses....The PDF file is awesome, and intimidating...lol... The "MPG" figure apparently is only a part of the "formula" and the one we mostly use to try and wrap our minds around this dilemna...Interesting how the lower range mpg cars, like Camaros, their weight in relation to mpg, etc....Seems odd to a layman that lighter weight cars, with lower mpgs, get gigged more than others...In the 6th gen, for example, if the cars are significantly lightened, yet retain powerful V-8s with relatively low MPG, seems that works against satisfying CAFE...dunno...interesting... The Devil is always in the details, and that's what I think we need to hear more of to understand all this...Thanks again... |
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...bump...lol
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Not so right on the SUVs though. They're still looking pretty rare.
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...Five years ago hybrid, all electric vehicles, weren't in the conversation much...?
Now?...I would think EVs take a lot of "pressure" off meeting CAFE goals...? I recall hearing Tesla and Musk are making a ton of money selling "credits"...?? Maybe not....Not sure.... |
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Yup. I said that. Tesla earns credits with every electric vehicle they sell, but since they don’t make or sell vehicles with ICE, they never have the opportunity to use the credits themselves. So they are able to sell them on the open market. Companies that don’t make and sell enough hybrids, fuel cells, or EVs can buy credits from Tesla or other automakers to make up their shortfall.
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Dieselgate killed the segment for cars and SUVs powered by diesel. Even though MB was never threatened with a suit, they pulled all their diesel offerings in NA at the beginning of 2017. Volvo did as well, and obviously any VW related brands. Plan on keeping ours as long as possible (until it becomes a money pit). Plenty of these SUVs into the 300,000+ mile range and we only have around 62,000 on our 2014.
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Diesel is perfect for long trips. Just have to make sure you can find it in out of the way locations away from the highways. Had that once. Shame people in the US are so diesel averse.
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Assuming changes to CAFE are possible and eliminating it is impossible:
Would it be preferable to have a softened federal version of California's % EV mandate, say for 50+ mpg vehicles? Any additional high-mpg vehicle sales can be credited and sold to those that miss the mandate percentage. Maybe this way, most of the auto market can be less disturbed. And the footprint rules can go away? |
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