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zz430camaro · 06-08-2018, 03:58 PM

Does installing rear cradle bushings and new trailing arms actually improve traction on the street? I know it helps with wheel hop but I'm hoping it will give the car some more bite too? Any feedback would be great.

Synner · 06-08-2018, 04:55 PM

Improved stability and reduced wheelhop, they won't bite anything or anyone.

KillboyPowerhead · 06-08-2018, 05:20 PM

They most certainly do; after I did mine I could feel a difference when I stepped on it and I only have a little ol' V6, so I suspect the difference would be even more noticeable in a V8.

Edit: maybe I misread the post, but said upgrades will keep the tires on the ground when accelerating by reducing wheel hop as mentioned, so they'll improve traction from a stop

frankwjr · 06-08-2018, 05:57 PM

nope....

Scott@Bjorn3D · 06-09-2018, 06:39 AM

If you are dropping more torque than the tires can handle they will spin. The only tires I have found that I can not break loose smashing the throttle on my while going about 10-20mph are the MP4S. Even regular Pilot Super Sports I can spin thru.

Running 285/35-20 all the way around.

TheFlyingBananaSS · 06-09-2018, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

If you are dropping more torque than the tires can handle they will spin. The only tires I have found that I can not break loose smashing the throttle on my while going about 10-20mph are the MP4S. Even regular Pilot Super Sports I can spin thru.

Running 285/35-20 all the way around.

You're kidding right? I've got 305/35/20 nitto 555R drag radials which are much more sticky than pilots and I can still break them loose and chirp the gears with little effort. Engine is still stock.

frankwjr · 06-09-2018, 08:16 AM

if I run my DR's on the street at 30 psi they break lose....at the track at 12 psi and a burnout...not so much...

peace.

btw - my BFG comp 2's do a good job, especially in the rain...

VR Baron · 06-09-2018, 10:35 AM

Those items will help stabilize the rear. The cradle bushings help the IRS feel as part of the car in turns, not follow the cars in turns. Both really helps in autocross that I do a lot of. As to traction I have every part to reduce wheel hop and I don’t seem to have that issue. Traction though? I run RE71R’s 305/30/19 for autocross, I can only leave the start at 1500 rpm to get could bite. Past that no way.

Scott@Bjorn3D · 06-09-2018, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingBananaSS

You're kidding right? I've got 305/35/20 nitto 555R drag radials which are much more sticky than pilots and I can still break them loose and chirp the gears with little effort. Engine is still stock.

I am talking about when already rolling, not reving up engine and dropping clutch and breaking them loose.

zz430camaro · 06-09-2018, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott@Bjorn3D

I am talking about when already rolling, not reving up engine and dropping clutch and breaking them loose.

I will have to remember this next time I get new rubber, thanks! I was looking to those tires too.

quickdrraw · 06-09-2018, 08:03 PM

It is a night and day difference in how the power is put to the ground. IMO yes, it improves every aspect of the handling.

TheFlyingBananaSS · 06-09-2018, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by frankwjr

if I run my DR's on the street at 30 psi they break lose....at the track at 12 psi and a burnout...not so much...

peace.

btw - my BFG comp 2's do a good job, especially in the rain...

We have near identical setups. I have the sport comp 2 on the front and the nitro 555R on the rear. Same tire pressures!

06-08-2018, 03:58 PM	#1
zz430camaro Drives: 2015 1LE Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,485	Improving Traction? Does installing rear cradle bushings and new trailing arms actually improve traction on the street? I know it helps with wheel hop but I'm hoping it will give the car some more bite too? Any feedback would be great.

06-08-2018, 05:20 PM	#3
KillboyPowerhead Drives: 2015 Z/22 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 930	They most certainly do; after I did mine I could feel a difference when I stepped on it and I only have a little ol' V6, so I suspect the difference would be even more noticeable in a V8. Edit: maybe I misread the post, but said upgrades will keep the tires on the ground when accelerating by reducing wheel hop as mentioned, so they'll improve traction from a stop __________________ Overkill/Self Tuned; Mace Camshafts; K&N Typhoon Cold Air Intake; Ported 80mm Throttle Body/Intake Manifolds/Manifold Spacer; Solo Performance High-Flow Cats, Cat-back Exhaust; Vitesse Motorsports Throttle Controller; Elite Engineering E2 Catch Can; BC Racing BR Coilovers; JPSS Delrin Radius Rod Bushing Inserts, Sway Bars; Pegasus Aluminum Rear Cradle Bushings, Camber/Caster Plates; Z/28 Toe Links, Trailing Arms, Upper Control Arm Bushings, Rear Shock Mounts Last edited by KillboyPowerhead; 06-08-2018 at 06:23 PM.

06-08-2018, 05:57 PM	#4
frankwjr Drives: 2010 SS 2SS M6 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Smithsburg, Md. Posts: 2,446	nope.... __________________ 2010 SS 2SS M6 - Tune by RDP dynoSteve!(Woot) - Daily Driver - *150K!* - All work by me...

06-09-2018, 08:16 AM	#7
frankwjr Drives: 2010 SS 2SS M6 Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Smithsburg, Md. Posts: 2,446	if I run my DR's on the street at 30 psi they break lose....at the track at 12 psi and a burnout...not so much... peace. btw - my BFG comp 2's do a good job, especially in the rain... __________________ 2010 SS 2SS M6 - Tune by RDP dynoSteve!(Woot) - Daily Driver - *150K!* - All work by me...

06-09-2018, 08:03 PM	#11
quickdrraw Drives: 2015 Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 213 View My Garage	It is a night and day difference in how the power is put to the ground. IMO yes, it improves every aspect of the handling. __________________ 2015 Camaro Z/28 Black Sold: 2010 Camaro 1SS/RS

06-08-2018, 04:55 PM	#2
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,545	Improved stability and reduced wheelhop, they won't bite anything or anyone.

06-09-2018, 06:39 AM	#5
Scott@Bjorn3D Drives: Kami, 2013 2SS LS3 Luvin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eufaula, Alabama Posts: 6,427	If you are dropping more torque than the tires can handle they will spin. The only tires I have found that I can not break loose smashing the throttle on my while going about 10-20mph are the MP4S. Even regular Pilot Super Sports I can spin thru. Running 285/35-20 all the way around.

06-09-2018, 10:35 AM	#8
VR Baron SoCal Camaro5 Race Team Drives: 2021 Shadow Grey Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SO CAL Posts: 14,288	Those items will help stabilize the rear. The cradle bushings help the IRS feel as part of the car in turns, not follow the cars in turns. Both really helps in autocross that I do a lot of. As to traction I have every part to reduce wheel hop and I don’t seem to have that issue. Traction though? I run RE71R’s 305/30/19 for autocross, I can only leave the start at 1500 rpm to get could bite. Past that no way.