Stock 2011 L99 vs 1996-2002 SS or Z28

[Jimmy Superfly]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

That would be an M6. 12.89 at Englishtown in cold air with a 98 or 99 Z28. He later went 12.96 with a 01 SS in much warmer air at E-town. Also an M6.

Thanks Bob,

After years of reading your posts on CZ28.com I figured you would have the answer.

[Bob Cosby]

Jimmy...you're most welcome, and thanks for the kind words!

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Yeah, temps were in the 30s and they were spraying the track to help with grip. (DA was like negative 2000 ft)

The test I saw where he returned with an SS in warmer air, he couldn't do better than low 13s.

Maybe he did a different test I didn't read about.

Here's a scan of the article in question....most of the article was a review of the 2001 Bullitt Mustang.

[jph2275]

Originally Posted by Bob Cosby

What kind of track times did you run with both cars, when both were bone stock?

When stock, ls1 was a high 12 (like a 12.9)
When stock, ls3 was a low 13 second car. Even had a friend who is a *far* better and experienced manual driver and he couldnt break 12's in the ls3

Those were different nights and temps however, so I dont guess its really a fair comparison

[jph2275]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

I think it come down to the ease of driving your automatic. The LS3 M6 is a faster car in the right hands.

It is quite common for a stock LS3 Camaro to run high 12s @ 110 ish mph. But high 12s @ 110 mph would be an extremely fast (freak) pass in an auto LS1 Fbody.

We have many members of this forum that previously owned LS1 Fbodys (including myself). Mine was also an A4 auto.

Anyone have an LS1 A4 Fbody (bone stock) 1/4 mile list from a forum? I'd like to compare it with the LS3 M6 list.

B]Camaro SS, Stock[/B]

You're probably correct, I do think my ls1 was a freak and easier to drive than my manual ... my tuner was always suprised at how much teeth that ls1 of mine had. At the time I had a brother with an 01' ls1 z28 and my SS just felt (or really, was) .... faster

[jph2275]

Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

If this ant the biggest load of crap I ever heard! I would love to see a stock a4 ls1 take out a well driven ls3 I have owned two of them both auto and m6, my brother still has his Bolton, tuned, 2000 trans am also... When I was bone stock my car still walked my brothers t/a, after the headers no contest! The top end pull is MUCH stronger in these cars.

At the track a 4th gen with Boltons will put down 108 traps on your avg summer night, stock or bolted 5th gens are trapping 110-112+ and I have personally seen 116...this on a average night around here. I realize there are allot of fast 4th gens out there, but MOST stock 4th gen ls1 cars will run mid 13s at 104-106, that's the truth... A 12 sec stock ls1 car, MOST are not! Maybe your ls3 needs a fuse pull, or still needs a good break in, your stock rune could be pulling timing also. I would look into it.

Well, thats my experience. Mine was a factory 12 second ls1, miss the hell out of it. I'm probably not the worlds greatest ls3 driver anyhow ....

sounds like your brothers car is the norm ... and thats your experience

[jph2275]

Originally Posted by jph2275

When stock, ls1 was a high 12 (like a 12.9)
When stock, ls3 was a low 13 second car. Even had a friend who is a *far* better and experienced manual driver and he couldnt break 12's in the ls3

Those were different nights and temps however, so I dont guess its really a fair comparison

Than I modded the ls3 and ran slower at royal purple raceway

Driver mod driver mod driver mod

[Edwin320]

If you're lucky enough to run across a stock M6 LS1, the L99 can probably outrun it. My old H/C/Full Exhaust/Gears 01 SS would run circles around my new car. Time to start modding?!?!

[Bob Cosby]

L99 Camaro vs a well-driven M6 LS1...especially a no/low option car....that's a tough call.

Put a poor or even average driver in the M6 and I'd give the nod to the L99.

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

If this ant the biggest load of crap I ever heard! I would love to see a stock a4 ls1 take out a well driven ls3 I have owned two of them both auto and m6, my brother still has his Bolton, tuned, 2000 trans am also... When I was bone stock my car still walked my brothers t/a, after the headers no contest! The top end pull is MUCH stronger in these cars.

At the track a 4th gen with Boltons will put down 108 traps on your avg summer night, stock or bolted 5th gens are trapping 110-112+ and I have personally seen 116...this on a average night around here. I realize there are allot of fast 4th gens out there, but MOST stock 4th gen ls1 cars will run mid 13s at 104-106, that's the truth... A 12 sec stock ls1 car, MOST are not! Maybe your ls3 needs a fuse pull, or still needs a good break in, your stock rune could be pulling timing also. I would look into it.

most l99's aren't 12 second cars either. in fac t most are 13.5-13.9 sec cars

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by BlackM6RS/SS

Ls1 Fbody m6 will beat a l99 any day of the week. 3900lbs 325rwhp l99 to 3500-3600lb 315rwhp Fbody

this. many people dont realize that these two cars have very similar rwhp numbers.

[jph2275]

Originally Posted by big hammer

this. many people dont realize that these two cars have very similar rwhp numbers.

+1

[red70tvhs]

Originally Posted by big hammer

this. many people dont realize that these two cars have very similar rwhp numbers.

yup, as stated in my previous post, bettin everything on the properly driven M6

[Stew]

Originally Posted by big hammer

most l99's aren't 12 second cars either. in fac t most are 13.5-13.9 sec cars

Shhhh, you know ALL 5th gens are 12.5 second cars bone stock on 4 mini spares!!!!!!!!!

[big hammer]

Originally Posted by Stew

Shhhh, you know ALL 5th gens are 12.5 second cars bone stock on 4 mini spares!!!!!!!!!

they are when all srt9's run 12.2 and 5.0's run 12.3!