[mlee]

This was originally planned to be my A10 in this video but our schedules never matched up right.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by mlee

Definitely far behind in anything and in fact leading by a long shot in most areas which is why those discussions don't even happen anymore. Pretty happy with what they've done in the performance area. Most of us in this forum don't need marketing and sales. We already know.

We don't need the marketing, but it would be cool if we had some commercials like they had for the 98-02 WS6 Trans Am. I had a 99 and loved watching the TA pull up behind that car at the light, rev its engine, make the other car shiver, and then lunge forward and inhale it. Lol

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

Agreed, they're close enough stock vs stock that it comes down to driver. All else being equal, it depends on who was driving more prior to the runs and who's engine is hotter lol.

Now modded vs modded, they start to separate.

From what I've seen, stock for stock, the hellcat stands almost no chance against my Z, unless it's a roll race or the cat is on a tire. Most run in the 12 range and a lower mph in similar air. I've never raced one yet to say for sure, but my dad's friend ran his Hellcat about a month ago and ran 12s at 120. He ran at grudge wars, so I know the prep was non existent, which would explain the time, but that mph.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by hashtag

Drag race absolutely not auto cross (:

I don't argue that fact in the slightest. Nothing more I'd like than to see Chevy remove all doubt from anybody in all track venues. Could simply be an option with letters and numbers which differentiates each car.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

From what I've seen, stock for stock, the hellcat stands almost no chance against my Z, unless it's a roll race or the cat is on a tire. Most run in the 12 range and a lower mph in similar air. I've never raced one yet to say for sure, but my dad's friend ran his Hellcat about a month ago and ran 12s at 120. He ran at grudge wars, so I know the prep was non existent, which would explain the time, but that mph.

From a dig on the stock bicycle tires, ZL1 has the advantage big time. The Hellcat needs drag radials to make use of its power. The lower trap speeds are probably due to the driver not able to put their foot down for the first 150 feet of the track, or traction control if they leave that on. Trap speeds are damn near the same. Which is evident from the roll racing results.

[Alain]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

None of the Hellcats are 707 hp, not just the original 2015s. They dyno in the 640-670 area, which is what the new ZR1, which is rated at 755 hp, puts down on the dyno.

thank you for clarifying my statement. I didn't present it clearly enough.

Hellcat engines have always been in the realm of 750-760 horsepower. Dodge advertised them with lower horsepower in a clever move. Three years later they can announce a bump in horsepower without having to do anything to the engine.

The Redeye is something different. That's a Demon motor with a conservative tune. That thing will definitely take the ZL1 to school, I think.

Luckily for those of us that bought the earlier hellcats, we just need to spend $2500-$3000 and we are making a reliable 800+ horses to the wheel. Those hemi motors are truly amazing.

[bomariam1]

ZL1 is nothing like the hellcat or demon, it's a car for every sport event, drag or track.
And it's so tunable that you can get 100+rwhp with just SC pulley change.

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[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Well, in real life on a prepped track stock auto Hellcats are low 11 cars and ZL1s 11.4 and up on the same track. I know some have run the ZL1 faster but it's rare.

I realize that Atco is one of the best dragstrips in the country, but that sounds like a different planet than here. Real life observation up here is, have never seen a stock Hellcat run even close to a stock ZL1. Yes you read that right, best I've seen a stock HC go here is low 12s, yet I've seen a stock ZL1 go 11.4 here in the summer (hot-lapping). Only a few of the modded Dodges have done better than that, and usually it's in better conditions than that ZL1 had. Obviously, when I'm calling those HCs or ZL1s stock, I mean seems to be stock. I'm talking about the 'normal' HC here, as have not seen the widebody cars running at the track yet, but have seen a couple at a cars&coffee event.

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by bomariam1

ZL1 is nothing like the hellcat or demon, it's a car for every sport event, drag or track.
And it's so tunable that you can get 100+rwhp with just SC pulley change.

Hemi gets same results

[Alain]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

Hemi gets same results

if not more

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

Originally Posted by Alain

if not more

Yep if not much more. Pulleyed/injector/E Hellcats are north of 800 RWHP which the LT4 can't even achieve without Nitrous or a blower swap.

[Alain]

That zl1 has definitely had some work done or the Hellcat wasn’t in it all the way. No way stock for stock the Zl1 keeps up in a straight line.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Alain

That zl1 has definitely had some work done or the Hellcat wasn’t in it all the way. No way stock for stock the Zl1 keeps up in a straight line.

That's what I was thinking, especially a manual ZL1

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by BlueSteel07

From personal experience, I will say without a doubt that the Hellcat is nowhere near as easy to launch on stock tires as the ZL1.

This. My buddy has a stock ‘16 Challenger Hellcat. First time at the track, best time he could muster was 13.4! Then, after adding 305 drag radials he was able to get a 12.4 last time out. I still beat him with my bone stock 2SS...

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Joshinator99

This. My buddy has a stock ‘16 Challenger Hellcat. First time at the track, best time he could muster was 13.4! Then, after adding 305 drag radials he was able to get a 12.4 last time out. I still beat him with my bone stock 2SS...

Either he's using the black key or should have the car confiscated. 12.4 with drag radials? Track must of been on Mt. Everest