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rahallfly · 02-17-2013, 07:52 PM

I just put in TSP VVT2 cam and AFM delete. TSP said i should not worry about upgrading timing chain. But after reading some more on here i am getting nervous. How many have the L99 that kept same gear on cam and stock chain and is it ok?

Oil pump?? replace?? all the problems have been LS3 any L99 oil pump problems?

I kept my stock chain damper instead of puttin on the block one. good idea?

Trunion upgrade with a VVT2 needed?

Thanks guys

axis · 02-17-2013, 07:58 PM

You can PM Rhino as well. I'm not sure what NEEDS to be replaced but a lot of replacement parts people get are for peace of mind. I think I remember a post from him on what he feels NEEDS to be replaced. I'll look to see if I can find it.

flyer08 · 02-17-2013, 07:59 PM

I did chain and oil pump just to be safe since was already changing stuff out

axis · 02-17-2013, 08:33 PM

Here are a few quotes from the threads.

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Throw the afm lifters as far as you can, go pick up some ls3 lifters, 4 ls3 trays, an ls3 valley cover, a phaser restrictor and the vvt grind of your likeing. You wont be disappointed.

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Ok. The afm lifters are weak. That has nothing to do with the vvt though. Once ls3 lifters are installed, you're set. My valve train consists of the mast ss cam, stock rockers, stock ls3 lifters, stock pushrods, comp beehives, and comps phaser limiter. Rev limit is at 7200, and I shift at 6900-7000. Durability has not been an issue and I drive my car daily. I drove it to the track too. I found 20 rwhp with just cam phaser changes on the dyno.

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Stock pushrods arent weak, they just arent the right length with many aftermarket base circle cams. I have proven, over and over all the bs myths about the oil pump, timing chain, rod bolts, pushrods are just that....myths. Are those nice compliments and upgrades, yep, are they always needed....no.

rahallfly · 02-17-2013, 08:54 PM

Thanks axis. I have my engine almost completely back together only thing not on is water pump and radiator. I have already replaced lifters and everything else in the package. I just didnt do oil pump, because common problems have been on LS3 Oil pumps.

Thats why i was asking about cam chain with stock gears on cam and crank and trunion upgrade. those are whats on my mind unless someone has seen a L99 oil pump stop ??

axis · 02-17-2013, 10:25 PM

Personally, i'd change them but I'm more of a overbuild it kind of person. It's much cheaper and easier to do it NOW, while it's already apart than to have to possibly redo it later.

VADER SS L99 · 02-18-2013, 06:26 AM

Use the LS2 damper not the stock tensioner. Yes a C5R timing chain and trunion upgrade will be worthy additions. Just be aware even when you build stuff right using good parts and install sh!t can happen. Overbuilding with the best parts lessons the chance of this. More on that in a few days after I tear into mine a little.

litle88 · 02-18-2013, 06:50 AM

If your spinning to 7k+ pushrods and a dual spring are a must for proper valve control. Especially on a VVT cam. Just my .2

rahallfly · 02-18-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by litle88

If your spinning to 7k+ pushrods and a dual spring are a must for proper valve control. Especially on a VVT cam. Just my .2

Dual springs and new chromoly push rods were installed with this kit. Trunion upgrade is my question?

Thanks for the advice guys

Pro Stock John · 02-18-2013, 10:31 AM

Rhino has told me on the phone once or twice that he's not a fan of the L99 lifters, and thinks they should be changed out for a cam.

Synner · 02-18-2013, 10:39 AM

Oil pump in L99 is fine. Chain is fine too. Your money would be better spent on an ATI damper. I think the trunion upgrade is good for anyone running their engine hard or adding power.

litle88 · 02-18-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rahallfly

Dual springs and new chromoly push rods were installed with this kit. Trunion upgrade is my question?

Thanks for the advice guys

If you can spare the money, why not? I'd do it.

Fast6.3 · 02-18-2013, 01:40 PM

I have am l99 dealer just replaced oil pump 20000 miles
I have the trunnion upgrade on another build and i highly recommend it its cheap and takes a couple of hours to do it if you can i would also change lifters and ouil pump if your keeping vvt idont think you can change the sprocket

Fast6.3 · 02-18-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by litle88

If you can spare the money, why not? I'd do it.

+1

02-17-2013, 07:52 PM	#1
rahallfly Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mansfield Ohio Posts: 267	Advice Please, hoping rhino will see this lol I just put in TSP VVT2 cam and AFM delete. TSP said i should not worry about upgrading timing chain. But after reading some more on here i am getting nervous. How many have the L99 that kept same gear on cam and stock chain and is it ok? Oil pump?? replace?? all the problems have been LS3 any L99 oil pump problems? I kept my stock chain damper instead of puttin on the block one. good idea? Trunion upgrade with a VVT2 needed? Thanks guys __________________ TSP VVT2, OBX LTs Catless mids, Flowmaster, Half K&N, Half Fastlane Pipeline CAI, Tuned by RDP Motorsports! Thats the main fun adders SHAKE ANNNNNNND BAKE!!!!!

02-17-2013, 07:58 PM	#2
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	You can PM Rhino as well. I'm not sure what NEEDS to be replaced but a lot of replacement parts people get are for peace of mind. I think I remember a post from him on what he feels NEEDS to be replaced. I'll look to see if I can find it. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

02-17-2013, 08:54 PM	#5
rahallfly Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mansfield Ohio Posts: 267	Thanks axis. I have my engine almost completely back together only thing not on is water pump and radiator. I have already replaced lifters and everything else in the package. I just didnt do oil pump, because common problems have been on LS3 Oil pumps. Thats why i was asking about cam chain with stock gears on cam and crank and trunion upgrade. those are whats on my mind unless someone has seen a L99 oil pump stop ?? __________________ TSP VVT2, OBX LTs Catless mids, Flowmaster, Half K&N, Half Fastlane Pipeline CAI, Tuned by RDP Motorsports! Thats the main fun adders SHAKE ANNNNNNND BAKE!!!!!

02-17-2013, 10:25 PM	#6
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	Personally, i'd change them but I'm more of a overbuild it kind of person. It's much cheaper and easier to do it NOW, while it's already apart than to have to possibly redo it later. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

02-18-2013, 06:26 AM	#7
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	Use the LS2 damper not the stock tensioner. Yes a C5R timing chain and trunion upgrade will be worthy additions. Just be aware even when you build stuff right using good parts and install sh!t can happen. Overbuilding with the best parts lessons the chance of this. More on that in a few days after I tear into mine a little. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

02-17-2013, 07:59 PM	#3
flyer08 Account Suspended Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 3,418	I did chain and oil pump just to be safe since was already changing stuff out

02-18-2013, 06:50 AM	#8
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	If your spinning to 7k+ pushrods and a dual spring are a must for proper valve control. Especially on a VVT cam. Just my .2 __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

02-18-2013, 10:31 AM	#10
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,216	Rhino has told me on the phone once or twice that he's not a fan of the L99 lifters, and thinks they should be changed out for a cam. __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

02-18-2013, 10:39 AM	#11
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,545	Oil pump in L99 is fine. Chain is fine too. Your money would be better spent on an ATI damper. I think the trunion upgrade is good for anyone running their engine hard or adding power.

02-18-2013, 01:40 PM	#13
Fast6.3 Drives: 2016 2SS coupe 2015 3LT Stingray Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: El paso texas Posts: 880 View My Garage	I have am l99 dealer just replaced oil pump 20000 miles I have the trunnion upgrade on another build and i highly recommend it its cheap and takes a couple of hours to do it if you can i would also change lifters and ouil pump if your keeping vvt idont think you can change the sprocket