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JANNETTYRACING · 07-08-2021, 07:45 AM

This is a huge problem from our perspective as we continue to see cars coming in with Air in the intercooler system.

People have been driving around for years with reduced power and never know it.

Air in the intercooler system can actually stop the pump from running as it monitors electrical load from pumping water, and will turn off as not to burn up the pump. (pump self protection)

Even if there is not enough air in the system to shut the pump down you will have high intake air temps which reduces Air density, which in turn reduces fuel delivery and ignition timing, so we have seen as much as 50 HP loss from this situation.

This simple tool from JRE makes filling and bleeding a dream.

Simply install this in place of the cap, To remove the cap turn the cap to straight up position, twist the cap 1/4 turn in either direction and pull straight up.

Then install the tool by simply inserting it, ( it will lock in same as cap) fill it with coolant start the car and let it run until no more bubbles are floating to the top of the coolant.

Often times you have to keep adding coolant as it gets drawn in in place of air.

Just keep the bottle about half full during the process.

Place a rag under the fitting, and remove the bottle capturing what you can with your finger.

Reinstall the cap and your done.

HORSEPOWER RESTORED.

https://jannettyracing.com/products/...cadillac-cts-v

Burton5251 · 07-08-2021, 11:09 AM

Honestly this is one of the best things I have purchased. Literally could not be easier to bled the system.

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

This is a huge problem from our perspective as we continue to see cars coming in with Air in the intercooler system.

People have been driving around for years with reduced power and never know it.

Air in the intercooler system can actually stop the pump from running as it monitors electrical load from pumping water, and will turn off as not to burn up the pump. (pump self protection)

Even if there is not enough air in the system to shut the pump down you will have high intake air temps which reduces Air density, which in turn reduces fuel delivery and ignition timing, so we have seen as much as 50 HP loss from this situation.

This simple tool from JRE makes filling and bleeding a dream.

Simply install this in place of the cap, To remove the cap turn the cap to straight up position, twist the cap 1/4 turn in either direction and pull straight up.

Then install the tool by simply inserting it, ( it will lock in same as cap) fill it with coolant start the car and let it run until no more bubbles are floating to the top of the coolant.

Often times you have to keep adding coolant as it gets drawn in in place of air.

Just keep the bottle about half full during the process.

Place a rag under the fitting, and remove the bottle capturing what you can with your finger.

Reinstall the cap and your done.

HORSEPOWER RESTORED.

https://jannettyracing.com/products/...cadillac-cts-v

Dega Man · 07-08-2021, 11:10 AM

Does a reservoir eliminate this problem?

JB'sZL1 · 07-08-2021, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dega Man

Does a reservoir eliminate this problem?

Yes, provided it is placed high, the reservoir will self-bleed.

JANNETTYRACING · 07-09-2021, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dega Man

Does a reservoir eliminate this problem?

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Originally Posted by JB'sZL1

Yes, provided it is placed high, the reservoir will self-bleed.

In my experience it does not because the water flow stirs air in to the water.

Also storing water in an hot engine compartment just adds heat to the water.

Keep it the way it is and just bleed it.

Ted.

gtstorey · 07-09-2021, 08:23 AM

Where does this screw in? I'm wondering about getting it for my LSA supercharger on my 2010 SS (ADM Conversion).

tartagliazl1 · 07-09-2021, 10:28 AM

I looked into this and went to purchase but the cheapest shipping is $19 for a $35 dollar part that weighs 3oz. Shipped one state over. Why so high Ted?

Bigtime53 · 07-09-2021, 01:28 PM

The piece that goes into the supercharger is that just like the piece that is already there? Then you just drill a hole in it and put the brass fitting into that and ad a couple o rings then get the other piece at any hardware store to screw onto the bottle? Looks like it to me. Am I wrong?

Little Walter · 07-09-2021, 04:10 PM

I have two ZL's with heat exchangers and reservoirs and have never experienced the air problem, when I remove the cap from the reservoirs water is moving. I did experience this problem once prior to adding the reservoir and heat exchanger.

JB'sZL1 · 07-09-2021, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Walter

I have two ZL's with heat exchangers and reservoirs and have never experienced the air problem, when I remove the cap from the reservoirs water is moving. I did experience this problem once prior to adding the reservoir and heat exchanger.

Right. I've had my Z for nearly five years. I placed a hex and D3 in, and have never had air entrapment, or overheating.

JANNETTYRACING · 07-16-2021, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Little Walter

I have two ZL's with heat exchangers and reservoirs and have never experienced the air problem, when I remove the cap from the reservoirs water is moving. I did experience this problem once prior to adding the reservoir and heat exchanger.

OK is the water perfectly clear or does it look like soda.

Ted.

Little Walter · 07-17-2021, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

OK is the water perfectly clear or does it look like soda.

Ted.

It is flowing as clear as the water flowing in the radiator, definitely not even close to soda.

silversleeper · 07-17-2021, 11:24 PM

Does the coolant look like yellow Mountain Dew or Orange Fanta soda? The supercharger brick prefers zero calorie by the way.

I bought my ZL1 from a knowledgable Camaro guy but it was quite low on SC coolant and didn't have dexcool in it FWIW.

JANNETTYRACING · 07-18-2021, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Little Walter

It is flowing as clear as the water flowing in the radiator, definitely not even close to soda.

That is good but how much heat is being added to the coolant due to storing it under the hood Hottest place in the car.

Ted.

07-08-2021, 07:45 AM	#1
JANNETTYRACING Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT. Posts: 15,225	Biggest overlooked problem with LSA This is a huge problem from our perspective as we continue to see cars coming in with Air in the intercooler system. People have been driving around for years with reduced power and never know it. Air in the intercooler system can actually stop the pump from running as it monitors electrical load from pumping water, and will turn off as not to burn up the pump. (pump self protection) Even if there is not enough air in the system to shut the pump down you will have high intake air temps which reduces Air density, which in turn reduces fuel delivery and ignition timing, so we have seen as much as 50 HP loss from this situation. This simple tool from JRE makes filling and bleeding a dream. Simply install this in place of the cap, To remove the cap turn the cap to straight up position, twist the cap 1/4 turn in either direction and pull straight up. Then install the tool by simply inserting it, ( it will lock in same as cap) fill it with coolant start the car and let it run until no more bubbles are floating to the top of the coolant. Often times you have to keep adding coolant as it gets drawn in in place of air. Just keep the bottle about half full during the process. Place a rag under the fitting, and remove the bottle capturing what you can with your finger. Reinstall the cap and your done. HORSEPOWER RESTORED. https://jannettyracing.com/products/...cadillac-cts-v __________________ www.jannettyracing.com Celebrating 37 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705 email tedj@jannettyracing.com

07-09-2021, 10:28 AM	#7
tartagliazl1 Drives: 2013 zl1 vert Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Rochester, New york Posts: 949	I looked into this and went to purchase but the cheapest shipping is $19 for a $35 dollar part that weighs 3oz. Shipped one state over. Why so high Ted? __________________ 22% lower/ 2.5 upper/ 2” headers/ cat delete/ x-pipe/ 2 gallon x tank/ 100-3 pump/ fic 850/ dsx aux kit/ 103mm throttle body/ RPM 5” intake/ meth kit/ prometh lid injection/FI interchiller/ 160* stat/ ngk-7/ msd wires/ elite catch can/ tsp cam/ Che trunnions/ ported supercharger/ 1/2” lid spacer/ brick mod/BMR toe and trailing arms/ 751hp 757 tq SAE @17.3lb on a loaded dyno.

07-08-2021, 11:10 AM	#3
Dega Man Drives: ZL1 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Talladega Posts: 631	Does a reservoir eliminate this problem?

07-09-2021, 08:23 AM	#6
gtstorey Drives: 2010 Camaro SS2,L99, LSA SC Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 2,155	Where does this screw in? I'm wondering about getting it for my LSA supercharger on my 2010 SS (ADM Conversion).

07-09-2021, 01:28 PM	#8
Bigtime53 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,298	The piece that goes into the supercharger is that just like the piece that is already there? Then you just drill a hole in it and put the brass fitting into that and ad a couple o rings then get the other piece at any hardware store to screw onto the bottle? Looks like it to me. Am I wrong?

07-09-2021, 04:10 PM	#9
Little Walter Drives: ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: New Orleans Posts: 261	I have two ZL's with heat exchangers and reservoirs and have never experienced the air problem, when I remove the cap from the reservoirs water is moving. I did experience this problem once prior to adding the reservoir and heat exchanger.

07-17-2021, 11:24 PM	#13
silversleeper Big Crow Drives: '13 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: California Posts: 1,486	Does the coolant look like yellow Mountain Dew or Orange Fanta soda? The supercharger brick prefers zero calorie by the way. I bought my ZL1 from a knowledgable Camaro guy but it was quite low on SC coolant and didn't have dexcool in it FWIW.