01-09-2015, 02:30 PM | #1 |
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cheap custom turbo?
Given that this is a daily driver, i would really not drop 6k to turbo charge
the car. Can you tell me why the following idea/setup wouldn't work? Or maybe it can. Given that i am only trying to make 7-10psi and there are hondas out there pushing WAY more psi than that, shouldn't i be able to spool a smallish turbo capable of making 7-10psi off one bank of cylinders? If so, couldn't I just cut out a section of pipe going from the head to the Y-pipe mount the turbo there and then run a tube from the turbo to the intake manifold or run it through a front mount? Seems like it would be a pretty cheap set up. Not the most efficient in the world, but for the cost pretty good. |
01-09-2015, 02:43 PM | #2 |
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Sure, you can build a custom single turbo setup. PT_Killa did it a long time ago. There are two things to consider:
1) PSI is pretty irrelevant unless you are comparing two nearly identical turbos. You make power by adding more air and fuel to the engine. One turbo may pump 35 cubic feet per minute (CFM) at 10 psi and another may only pump 20. The one pumping 35 CFM will make more power, provided you can deliver the fuel. It is possible to put a really large turbo on our cars and pump enough air at 10 psi to make a lot of horsepower, but things will still break and it will probably have a lot of lag. 2) Cheap is never the way to go. Yes a single turbo is less than two, but don't buy a cheap turbo for that single one, and size it right.
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"One turbo may pump 35 cubic feet per minute (CFM) at 10 psi and another may only pump 20. The one pumping 35 CFM will make more power, provided you can deliver the fuel."
Doesn't the car have a good enough stock injection system to support a decent amount of boost? "It is possible to put a really large turbo on our cars and pump enough air at 10 psi to make a lot of horsepower, but things will still break and it will probably have a lot of lag." I see you are putting 647 to the ground...what of yours has broken? I thought the engine would be able to take a decent amount of power (450) without having issues. 2) "don't buy a cheap turbo for that single one, and size it right." Any suggestions? |
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01-09-2015, 04:13 PM | #5 |
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What about the LF3 HPFP?
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01-09-2015, 04:17 PM | #6 |
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That and a ZL1 in-tank pump will give you a lot of fuel. However, you have to do some fab work to make the LF3 pump work and pulling the tank to swap to a ZL1 pump is a PITA. Unless you want to go through all that, just be happy with what the stock pumps will deliver. 450 RWHP is nothing to sneeze at after all.
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01-10-2015, 09:14 AM | #7 |
If you don't want to dish out the cash for a ball bearing turbo, a cheaper journal bearing turbo in the rear will be just as reliable since the turbo doesn't get as hot back there but make sure to run a powerful oil pump to avoid the scavenging issue. A Turbowerx Exa pump is powerful enough to scavenge 2 turbos directly from the drain without needing a sump box.
The big annoyance with rear mounts is the placement of the intercooler piping. For the STS style build, the pipe runs along the passenger side of the car so it hangs low. However, I recently solved that issue a few months ago when I built my twin rear mount setup. I found a path to run the intercooler piping above the exhaust without too much hassle. (Look at the twin remote turbo album in my profile for pictures of the setup).
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Again, depends on the setup. Turbo A @ 10 psi <> Turbo B @ 10 psi.
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Your best bet would be to pipe both banks to a single turbo, or twins though that defeats your purpose of less expensive... though the piping can get pretty complex... It's been done and can be again... I can honestly state there is no benefit to going cheap, either in the design or the components of a turbo system... It will end up costing way more in the long run... Please trust me on that one... Poorly designed systems that are within a budget can lead to a yard trophy that can't be fixed financially...
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As for the internals, I think you have to decide that one for yourself. Can't_C_Me is pushing about 500 RWHP on stock internals and I think he broke a ringland on one piston. He replaced it with a stock one and didn't have another one break. If you want to be safe, forge the pistons and rods.
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