[Bongos2U]

http://www.autonews.com/article/2018...llenger-muscle

[Aragorn]

I wonder if reliability has anything to do with it.

[my1stchevy]

"Chevrolet also plans to target buyers who might otherwise opt for a Ford Focus RS, Hyundai Veloster N, Honda Civic Type R or Kia Stinger"

Never in a million years would I have considered one of these cars over any Camaro trim...Never!!!

[Bongos2U]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

I wonder if reliability has anything to do with it.

If it did, Mustang sales would fall off a cliff.

[18LTLoveIt]

Price was the 1st deterrent for the 6th Gen.

Then 5th Gen owners didn't like the overall design, smaller being the biggest factor. They also didn't fall for the marketing hype of better handling because 5th Gen already was a fine handling car. Was lauded before 6 Gen went into production. (blah, blah)

The 2019 refresh is really sad. LT's actually look better. Chevy wanted to make the SS differ from lower priced Camaros. Boy, did they step in it!

I see where Chevy was going with the tail lights, trying to recapture the magic of 2010-2013, but goggles? Every promo shot has break lights on with no driver. They know they screwed up.

LE package on LS is a good strategy, but how many will blow up on the track? A T4 can only work so hard.

[torqueaddict]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

If it did, Mustang sales would fall off a cliff.

Lol, true. They can't seem to get a break. Ford themselves are heading downhill fast.

As for the sales race, if the article is to be believed, Chevy is doing well with the loaded Camaros. And we know the Mustang is riding on hype while having 4 doors is moving Challengers off the showroom floor.

I say design a 4-door Camaro 4-cylinder turbo for the low end market and leave it at that.

[SecondZ28]

“Frankly, they've been eating our lunch," Al Oppenheiser, chief engineer of the Camaro, said of the Mustang

I’m glad he’s not in denial about it like so many others

[retmil]

From the pics I have seen of the '19 SS the rear looks worse than the front and that is saying something!

[Rock-It Man]

I cannot image why Camaro has fallen behind the boat anchor Dodge Challenger. What an ugly and outdated POS.

On the other hand, my small family owned dealer has been unable to get a single ZL1 allocation, and has several customers clamoring for one.

What's up with that, GM?

[z28pat]

I can see losing sales to the cheaper mustang but the challenger? That’s all down to marketing , color choice availability , the dodge guys do a great job with that , but I do see a lot more v6 challengers than the v8s.

[torqueaddict]

The challenger has more space all around, plus it can seat 4 comfortably. That's the main advantage I see. It's family friendly and that opens it up to a larger market.

[Frankie18SS]

I've shared my story in another thread but I'll say it again, I have no clue what I would have done if I didn't find out about Becky. I went to 3 different dealerships before James Martin trying to order my car and it was a horrible experience. Sales people that could not answer some questions about options or worse yet telling me the wrong information ( NPP was standard on all 2SSs, MRC was only needed for tracking the car and didn't affect daily driving, etc). I couldn't get the playbook/brochure because they kept telling me it's online. They didn't know how to handle a trade-in when ordering a car because they don't order cars often.

I went to the configurator online to see what the options were and that sucked too. The Performance Exhaust option details had 2 bullet points about the exhaust tips and made no mention of it being selectable exhaust.

I had to lurk on this website for a while but I was able to figure out all the options and find the greatest salesperson ever. If I was cross shopping, I probably wouldn't have done that.

Dodge has commercials showing the Challenger rolling smoke from the back tires and the Chevy commercials show a dude talking to "Real People" about the dependability awards GM won. All you see is the partial view of a Camaro parked next to a Traverse and a Malibu. I see Mustang commercials all over YouTube and Challenger commercials all over TV. I've never seen a Camaro commercial that wasn't from a link on this site.

They've built the Turbo 1LE which sounds like it really should get sales from other brands but GM has to do more than build the car, they need to sell it too.

[90503]

Hasn't the Camaro had the turbo 4 since the 2016 models?....I don't see any big news here other than, what, they realized after three years they actually have a turbo-4 Camaro?....and making it an upgraded (higher priced) 1LE Version is magically the answer to the sales volume?....Look for no change in sales....The same car has been for sale for three years now...lol...

Here's an article from years ago...note the last point about competing with Mustang sales with the turbo-4.....Deja-Vu all over again...
https://autoweek.com/article/drive-r...nder-blasphemy

[Gunkk]

Visibility matters.

Friend of mine just bought a Subaru because his wife couldn't see out the back of the Impala that was over $5k less with a local 20% incentive.

FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS.