Saying Goodbye Soon

[nester7929]

The M3 isn't what it used to be, and the price has gotten ridiculous.

Go with the CTS-V, if price is of no concern.

[Q'smuscle]

SRT8 charger

[King T]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

As with a lot of people I talk to, not a lot of love for the ATS. I never see them on the road and they just dont seem to sell. I have also noticed dealers near me really dont care for the new CTS and they to sit on the lot. If only the new SS was more agressive, I would be sold. I think in the morning I will pull the trigger on the CTS-V. Like the other poster said, I too wish it had a more modern infotainment center. That being said, I believe the V cars are the future Gran Nationals.

Really? Maybe it's a regional thing, but I see quite a bit of ATS's around here. They seem to be selling pretty good, over 34,000 so far for the year
http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...gures.html?m=1

That is a shame if the dealership near you don't really care for the new CTS.
-Motor Trend Car of the Year
-Car & Driver "10 Best"
-Road & Track's Best Luxury Sedan

Maybe they're trying to clear out 2013's.

[Q'smuscle]

I see a few ATS too and I love the look.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by 2ndCamaro79

As with a lot of people I talk to, not a lot of love for the ATS. I never see them on the road and they just dont seem to sell. I have also noticed dealers near me really dont care for the new CTS and they to sit on the lot. If only the new SS was more agressive, I would be sold. I think in the morning I will pull the trigger on the CTS-V. Like the other poster said, I too wish it had a more modern infotainment center. That being said, I believe the V cars are the future Gran Nationals.

So what did you end up getting??

[72MachOne99GT]

Im not sure Ive ever seen an ATS in person.

CTS V Sport?

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

So what did you end up getting??

I am doing the lease loan work for the 2014 M5 as we speak, but not sure I want to spend this much I was getting a 2012 CTS-V from Carmax with 12k miles, but the CarFax said it was in an accident I test drove the ATS, if its not a premium with the MRC shocks it rides worse than my SS. I just can't get the looks of the CTS to grown on me. Every Caddy dealer I go to agree the looks are kinda off(rear) and the price is kinda high(Vsport). The new M3 is starting to look better and better. The 2015 300 SRT8 is suppose to get some updates, but I have not seen anything yet. I still have no clue what I want to get

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Im not sure Ive ever seen an ATS in person.

CTS V Sport?

Ain't that the truth! I have seen two on the street, and where I live you always see new cars. I built a CTS V Sport it was 80K, at that point I would rather have the M5. I don't think the ATS and CTS have been a major success. The sales might be ok, but dealers are not in love with them. They complain that the ATS is to small, the CTS is to big and bumps up right against the XTS price wise.

[72MachOne99GT]

80 large for a v sport?

The fkcu?

Whats an ATS V going to sell for?

And aren't CTS' even more?

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

80 large for a v sport?

The fkcu?

Whats an ATS V going to sell for?

And aren't CTS' even more?

This is the conversation I have at every Caddy dealer. The ATS Premium loaded is almost 55K, so the ATS-V is going to be like 60/65K That is what the 2014 CTS-Vs are selling for now with discounts. Then there is the CTS V Sport, in premium trim with a couple options 80K So that means the CTS V, (if there is one) will be 90 to 100K That puts it right there against the M5, E63, and RS7 and that is some big boy company. Caddy has come a long way, but their service and materials are still not on par with the most upscale (M's AMG's S's)German cars.

We were also thinking about replacing my wife's Denali. That being said pricing has yet to be released on the new GM SUVs. We want a Escalade, but the current Platinum Escalade is 80 something so what is the new one going to be 100K? I use to love GM because you got soo much bang for the buck(CTS-V, Z06, ZL1 etc. Now only Ford and Mopar still play in that arena. GM thinks they are Mercedes, BMW or Audi.

[72MachOne99GT]

I had no idea CTSVs, let alone ATSVs were anywhere near that.

[HeavyIOM]

Caddys IMO are way overpriced! your paying for the name and nothing else!

[King T]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

I had no idea CTSVs, let alone ATSVs were anywhere near that.

ATS-V has not debuted yet. But I'm guessing it will probably be anywhere between $55k-$65k. The current BMW M3 goes anywhere from $62k(which is super base model) all the way up to $90k fully loaded. Got a convertible M3 here at the BMW dealership with a $91k sticker lol.

No telling what the new M3 will go for. Some are saying starting at $65k for the M3 sedan and $70k for the M4 coupe.

Went to the dealership to look at a 435. They start at $46k with cloth interior. The leather in my SS looks better than the leather in the 4-Series until you pay for the upgraded leather package. Then pay for the HID light package, and not even mention M-Sport. By time I was done it was $68k!

Bottom line...everything is overpriced! BMW and Porsche will a la carte your ass to death

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by King T

ATS-V has not debuted yet. But I'm guessing it will probably be anywhere between $55k-$65k. The current BMW M3 goes anywhere from $62k(which is super base model) all the way up to $90k fully loaded. Got a convertible M3 here at the BMW dealership with a $91k sticker lol.

No telling what the new M3 will go for. Some are saying starting at $65k for the M3 sedan and $70k for the M4 coupe.

Went to the dealership to look at a 435. They start at $46k with cloth interior. The leather in my SS looks better than the leather in the 4-Series until you pay for the upgraded leather package. Then pay for the HID light package, and not even mention M-Sport. By time I was done it was $68k!

Bottom line...everything is overpriced! BMW and Porsche will a la carte your ass to death

Oh I agree, we have just all know that about the European guys. And GM does still have values (Camaro, Vett, Previous CTS-V) but we are seeing less and less of that. Even the G8 was a steal compared to the Chevy SS. Mainly its Caddy that has moved soooo far up market. There is no longer a value (to me) in Caddy, their now in the overpriced boat with the Germans and Lexus.