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Chrisco22 · 07-02-2012, 01:02 AM

After a very few mods (listed), lost to my roommate by about 2.5 car lengths. Really shortened the gap. May have just learned to drive better lol, but a few more and ill be there. a little forced induction and cant wait to walk him.

MBK · 07-02-2012, 01:25 AM

he's going to be faster -- the 05 is the lightest one of the S197 mustangs. he has the TQ and ECU tunes are common

lscamaro · 07-02-2012, 02:51 AM

Your wheels probably lost you your race.

gjarzabek009 · 07-02-2012, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lscamaro

Your wheels probably lost you your race.

I second that.

Synerbee · 07-02-2012, 04:09 AM

Mustang are lighter and have more torque and HP on dynos

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Run and Gun · 07-02-2012, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gjarzabek009

I second that.

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scrming · 07-02-2012, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MBK

he's going to be faster -- the 05 is the lightest one of the S197 mustangs. he has the TQ and ECU tunes are common

He already said he lost...

OP needs to post timeslips so we can see where he needs to improve... but let me guess... it was on a "private" road...

KMPrenger · 07-02-2012, 01:15 PM

For the big rims, and just a intake and tune I think thats pretty decent. Lighter/smaller rims and one or two more cheap mods and you'd likely be right with him.

big hammer · 07-02-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scrming

He already said he lost...

OP needs to post timeslips so we can see where he needs to improve... but let me guess... it was on a "private" road...

OMG

Chrisco22 · 07-02-2012, 10:47 PM

yeah i realize id be close but the rims are too sick for me to part with. My shit turns heads, and sounds amazing. Im no jeff gordon, but im getting closer and closer to beating him. and yes it was a "private road" ./. we will call it. the private road known as I -95 lol. 2 am

Norm Peterson · 07-03-2012, 06:29 AM

You'll most likely have to get a little deeper into either mechanical or tuning mods . . . or else wait for him to have a day when he's off his best game.

Part of it is the 40 lb-ft difference in peak torque, still more is because his torque peak comes in at a slightly lower rpm. This is assuming that he's still with the factory stock GT tune, which as mentioned already may not be true, in which case the deficit would be 50 ft-lbs or more. Point here being that you really need to start out and stay above the rpms where your peak torque is reached to really have a fighting chance.

Taller tires will reduce your acceleration, no way around this without changing your axle gearing.

Gearing wasn't mentioned until ↑↑↑, but chances are very good that his GT has better axle gears than you. Stock, the 2005 manual tranny GT came with 3.55's (and many Mustang owners have since swapped to 3.73's, 3.90's, or 4.10's).

About the wheels/tires (and lots of other things, actually) - appearance considerations may win the pride of ownership battle but won't usually win races. No flame intended, I'm just a hardcore performance guy who speaks (types?) directly about this sort of thing.

BTW, you might want to go back and identify your "private road" a little less clearly. Just saying . . .

Norm

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07-02-2012, 01:02 AM	#1
Chrisco22 Drives: 2011 Chevy Camaro LS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: United States Posts: 368	11' LS vs 05 mustang gt After a very few mods (listed), lost to my roommate by about 2.5 car lengths. Really shortened the gap. May have just learned to drive better lol, but a few more and ill be there. a little forced induction and cant wait to walk him. __________________ 2011 Camaro LS: [Rally Yellow] [22" Status Rims] [BBK Long Tube Headers w/ High Flow Cats] [Trifecta Tune] [K&N CAI] [Blacked out Bow Ties and Tail Lights] [15% Tint] [MAC Mufflers] [Rear Cat Delete] [Vmax Black Ice]

07-02-2012, 01:25 AM	#2
MBK Drives: 2011 SIM 2SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago Posts: 49	he's going to be faster -- the 05 is the lightest one of the S197 mustangs. he has the TQ and ECU tunes are common __________________ Here I come

07-02-2012, 02:51 AM	#3
lscamaro Drives: 2011 CGM Camaro LS A6 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 10,305	Your wheels probably lost you your race. __________________ Click Picture for Build Thread

07-02-2012, 01:15 PM	#8
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,949	For the big rims, and just a intake and tune I think thats pretty decent. Lighter/smaller rims and one or two more cheap mods and you'd likely be right with him. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

07-02-2012, 10:47 PM	#10
Chrisco22 Drives: 2011 Chevy Camaro LS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: United States Posts: 368	yeah i realize id be close but the rims are too sick for me to part with. My shit turns heads, and sounds amazing. Im no jeff gordon, but im getting closer and closer to beating him. and yes it was a "private road" ./. we will call it. the private road known as I -95 lol. 2 am __________________ 2011 Camaro LS: [Rally Yellow] [22" Status Rims] [BBK Long Tube Headers w/ High Flow Cats] [Trifecta Tune] [K&N CAI] [Blacked out Bow Ties and Tail Lights] [15% Tint] [MAC Mufflers] [Rear Cat Delete] [Vmax Black Ice]

07-02-2012, 04:09 AM	#5
Synerbee SoCal Headturners Drives: 2010 SGM Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Anaheim Hills, California Posts: 5,788	Mustang are lighter and have more torque and HP on dynos Sent from my Droid

07-03-2012, 06:29 AM	#11
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	You'll most likely have to get a little deeper into either mechanical or tuning mods . . . or else wait for him to have a day when he's off his best game. Part of it is the 40 lb-ft difference in peak torque, still more is because his torque peak comes in at a slightly lower rpm. This is assuming that he's still with the factory stock GT tune, which as mentioned already may not be true, in which case the deficit would be 50 ft-lbs or more. Point here being that you really need to start out and stay above the rpms where your peak torque is reached to really have a fighting chance. Taller tires will reduce your acceleration, no way around this without changing your axle gearing. Gearing wasn't mentioned until ↑↑↑, but chances are very good that his GT has better axle gears than you. Stock, the 2005 manual tranny GT came with 3.55's (and many Mustang owners have since swapped to 3.73's, 3.90's, or 4.10's). About the wheels/tires (and lots of other things, actually) - appearance considerations may win the pride of ownership battle but won't usually win races. No flame intended, I'm just a hardcore performance guy who speaks (types?) directly about this sort of thing. BTW, you might want to go back and identify your "private road" a little less clearly. Just saying . . . Norm

07-03-2012, 01:32 PM	#12
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