Z28 purchase maybe?

[joelster]

[QUOTE=marozaddy1;11500562]

Originally Posted by ariZona28

If you look at post #9 it seems to me the OP bought the right car for his intended use. Nothing weird about getting a nice car and saving a few bucks. :

Exactly! Tbh I know the Z28 is a different animal No Doubt!!, but for me I decided that with the cash I’m saving I can always build this one up which I probably will. Spending close to 50k to me is not worth it for my usage. The 1 LE is super fun to drive and I have over 20k in my pocket to play with! Also it’s track ready too!

*** to be clear I’m not comparing cars at all! I just got a car more practical for my use and it’s a rarer Camaro SS for mostly street driving. Win win ����

You saved cash for sure buying a 1LE, but the cash you could have spent on the Z/28, would have you further ahead. The Z/28 isn't going to depreciate, while the 1LE will. You could sell the Z/28 in 3 or 4 years for more than what you paid. I can't tell you how many modded 1LE's that I've raced against competitively. Probably around 20-30. They aren't even close, even when my car was stock. Make all the power you want out of the LS3, you'll likely never go with the carbon ceramic brakes, nor DSSV dampers.

[70T/A400]

Those are two reasons to stay away from the Z/28

General Motors is doing a very poor job of supporting the C5, C6, C7 and the Camaro ZL1 and Z/28.

Let me know where you can purchase spare Multimatic dampers. The carbon ceramic rotors are very difficult to find and they are over $4,000.00 for the front pair. Rock Auto do not carry them, neither does Amazon or Brembo and I know a GM dealer won't.

Stay with the 1LE.

[void_kp]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

Those are two reasons to stay away from the Z/28

General Motors is doing a very poor job of supporting the C5, C6, C7 and the Camaro ZL1 and Z/28.

Let me know where you can purchase spare Multimatic dampers. The carbon ceramic rotors are very difficult to find and they are over $4,000.00 for the front pair. Rock Auto do not carry them, neither does Amazon or Brembo and I know a GM dealer won't.

Stay with the 1LE.

I believe in this forum people said that dampers can be found directly by multimatic.
As for CCB... that's for basically any ccb car, so I don't really get the point.

what bothers me the most is that most of the body parts are discontinued... dampers when they are done, why not getting a Ohlins? (better)
Brakes, why not going steel ? Or if you want CCB why not go CCB ? (same cost as other cars).

[70T/A400]

There are reasons that General Motors no longer supports these cars but they aren't valid in my opinion.

Unfortunately we both own cars that in time will either look very different or perform differently because of these parts not being manufactured.

For your Z/28

No longer manufacturing LS7 blocks

What are you going to do if you drop a valve and crack a liner?

GM do not make an LS7 oil pump or an ECM or the Multimatic shocks.

What happens to the 1801 Z/28's and their owners that have no clue these no longer exist and they need them or a potential owner finds this out and decides not to make the purchase?

Converting a Z/28 with coilovers would reduce the car in my eyes, I want the Multimatic shocks. Just as a bored out LS3 or aftermarket block would reduce the value.

For an idea, look at the C4 ZR-1.

The LT5 engine was very well made by Mercury Marine, designed in England by Lotus and only had one relation to the small block, the bore spacing. The rest of that engine did not follow any GM engineering principles, it had Dual Overhead Cam, it had distributorless ignition, it had vacuum operated throttle bodies with 16 injectors.

There are parts for it through Jerry's Gaskets but for the most part the car has suffered severe depreciation due to the fact folks are concerned of parts availability such as ECM's which will turn the car into a brick.

[joelster]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

There are reasons that General Motors no longer supports these cars but they aren't valid in my opinion.

Unfortunately we both own cars that in time will either look very different or perform differently because of these parts not being manufactured.

For your Z/28

No longer manufacturing LS7 blocks

What are you going to do if you drop a valve and crack a liner?

GM do not make an LS7 oil pump or an ECM or the Multimatic shocks.

What happens to the 1801 Z/28's and their owners that have no clue these no longer exist and they need them or a potential owner finds this out and decides not to make the purchase?

Converting a Z/28 with coilovers would reduce the car in my eyes, I want the Multimatic shocks. Just as a bored out LS3 or aftermarket block would reduce the value.

For an idea, look at the C4 ZR-1.

The LT5 engine was very well made by Mercury Marine, designed in England by Lotus and only had one relation to the small block, the bore spacing. The rest of that engine did not follow any GM engineering principles, it had Dual Overhead Cam, it had distributorless ignition, it had vacuum operated throttle bodies with 16 injectors.

There are parts for it through Jerry's Gaskets but for the most part the car has suffered severe depreciation due to the fact folks are concerned of parts availability such as ECM's which will turn the car into a brick.

Most CCB's last for 100,000 miles. My car has 10,000 miles on it and 120+ events. The pads look absolutely brand new. Still have 1/2 of an inch of material left on them. DSSV dampers last a while too.

What do you do when you try to find parts for a 1970 Trans Am with a 400? GM no longer makes Pontiac parts, amirite?

[70T/A400]

A 1970 Pontiac Trans Am Ram Air III was a car I owned

No electronics

No ECM, adjustable suspension, ABS pump modules, throttle body,

There are really no parts that are not available for a 1970 Pontiac 400 cubic inch engine

You don't have to worry about finding a block, they put it in Tempest, Grand Prix, GTO's and Firebirds along with crankshafts and camshafts and bloody oil pumps

You can't even find a bloody oil pump for the LS7 let alone a block. That is brutal.

It is the electronics that is most concerning.

[void_kp]

Originally Posted by 70T/A400

There are reasons that General Motors no longer supports these cars but they aren't valid in my opinion.

Unfortunately we both own cars that in time will either look very different or perform differently because of these parts not being manufactured.

For your Z/28

No longer manufacturing LS7 blocks

What are you going to do if you drop a valve and crack a liner?

GM do not make an LS7 oil pump or an ECM or the Multimatic shocks.

What happens to the 1801 Z/28's and their owners that have no clue these no longer exist and they need them or a potential owner finds this out and decides not to make the purchase?

Converting a Z/28 with coilovers would reduce the car in my eyes, I want the Multimatic shocks. Just as a bored out LS3 or aftermarket block would reduce the value.

while I agree with all your points, I'd like to point out that there are better-than-oem parts for block, oil pump, heads , etc etc... so I am not worried at all about the drivetrain. I think the real problemi lies on body and wheels.

I understand the concept of "reducing the car" if you change from the multimatic shocks but that applies for a collector car, something sought after and really desired by the market, a classic. I'm honestly not believing this will happen for the Z28. A set of Ohlins is way better than the great stock dampers.

There are parts for it through Jerry's Gaskets but for the most part the car has suffered severe depreciation due to the fact folks are concerned of parts availability such as ECM's which will turn the car into a brick.

This is where we have different opinions. I like your example of the C4 ZR1, it's a very good example because it is a GREAT car, like the 5th gen z28... and exactly like the Z28 it has basically no value in the market.
The reason is not because of lack of parts availability (which is, on the contrary, a reason for values to go up) but because the car has zero collector value. It is a model that didn't do anything special. It's a great car that had a fantastic performance/cost ratio (like all corvettes) and exactly because it has nothing SPECIAL it is not desired. It's not beautiful, it was not desired at the time it was launched and it has no historical landmark in the automotive space. The brand has 0 collector value and the model is known for being a "Cheap" sportscar.
It will always stay a quirky great little car and never significantly appreciate to a status of a collector car. Like the z28, unfortunately.

taking the chance to plug the FANTASTIC JasonCammisa video about the c4 zr1

[JRowe500]

Doesn't Blueprint make an LS7?

[ariZona28]

Originally Posted by JRowe500

Doesn't Blueprint make an LS7?

Looks like their 427s are stroker LS3 based. Still very cool and I have been looking at one of these for my C5Z track car but for the purist Z/28 guys (like myself) they're not really an option unless we get "desperate". I believe they are wet sump too.

[void_kp]

Originally Posted by ariZona28

I believe they are wet sump too.

wet sump would be a hard no-go

[johna]

As a weekend and once or twice a year track enthusiast I was getting a bit concerned about replacement parts and the ease of which the insurance companies total the car with minor damage. I bought several parts including a set of track rims from former owners. Alas, I had decided to trade my car in for a new to me 981 GT4. I have a bunch of spare parts I will be listing in the next few weeks. I found the Z to be an amazing car! Very fun and analog and really a unique one of a kind car.


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