the heck do i do now T_T

[MrChrisLS3]

https://www.salvagebid.com/717671002...evrolet-camaro

https://www.bing.com/search?q=2G1FE1...32fdde61e8ffd6

I put the vin into a bing search, and this is what popped up.

Apparently, the car was sold through this auction site. I'm sure there would be some paper trail as to who purchased it from there. Not sure how things work in Canada, but somehow, clear title in Canada, auctioned to US buyer, they rebuilt it, replaced the BCM where the actual mileage is stored, and sold it as a clean title vehicle?

Options:

1) Crawl out of this rabbit hole, pretend like you never did the search, have this thread deleted and drive the car until the wheels fall off, or trade it in since apparently it has a clear title, you never saw any of this, and ignorance is bliss?

2) Hire a lawyer who will follow the paper trail to the perp that rebuilt the car, rolled back (for lack of better term) the odometer, and sold it as a clear history vehicle. (If you bought the car from a dealer, that dealer either took it in on trade or bought it at auction and may have no clue about this either, as you say, in California the lawsuit state, only the shadiest of dealers would touch it if they knew)

Problem is the lawyer may cost more than you paid for the car, unless they can get punitive damages. Trouble is, those are actually rarely collected as the defendants immediately file bankruptcy, leaving you with the legal bill.

3) Share this information with your lender. I have no idea what they would do with it. They may go the legal route as in option 2, which best case scenario, they win the suit, collect the money and refund you what you already paid them. But you won't get yours until they get theirs, and that car will probably be long gone and have become a beer can or a park bench by then.

It's a bad situation, and obviously there is a loop hole in the title certification of used cars crossing borders. Of course, assuming that what we're seeing on this bastion of truth we call the internet is indeed true.

[acutron42]

Wow, that is ridiculous. I would call an attorney as this should fall on the shoulders of the State that did the theft, salvage & safety inspection. I have bought a few auction cars in NY & been through the process. They should have never retitled this car as clean. Something is horribly wrong here if it went through the dmv, bank, & insurance company with no red flags.

[GAD]

Originally Posted by riozlander

because in California lawsuit land and land of strict lemon laws if i do not disclose this information on sale of this car i can be held liable for and up to any and all repairs full refund of the car out of pocket etc etc.......

oh and the fact i payed 14,500 for a frame damaged car on a loan that was only approved for clean title cars with less then 70,000 miles car was wrecked at 109k and i might be looking at if my credit union finds out having my car taken and possibly out 10 grand.....

not a fun situation. oh and 15k loan for welding/ fabrocation school for the Aero Space indastry.... lots on the plate and im not hungry

I agree with the others. If Lemon laws are so strict in CA, then call a lawyer.

[RJT Impala]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

https://www.salvagebid.com/717671002...evrolet-camaro

https://www.bing.com/search?q=2G1FE1...32fdde61e8ffd6

I put the vin into a bing search, and this is what popped up.

Apparently, the car was sold through this auction site. I'm sure there would be some paper trail as to who purchased it from there. Not sure how things work in Canada, but somehow, clear title in Canada, auctioned to US buyer, they rebuilt it, replaced the BCM where the actual mileage is stored, and sold it as a clean title vehicle?

Options:

1) Crawl out of this rabbit hole, pretend like you never did the search, have this thread deleted and drive the car until the wheels fall off, or trade it in since apparently it has a clear title, you never saw any of this, and ignorance is bliss?

2) Hire a lawyer who will follow the paper trail to the perp that rebuilt the car, rolled back (for lack of better term) the odometer, and sold it as a clear history vehicle. (If you bought the car from a dealer, that dealer either took it in on trade or bought it at auction and may have no clue about this either, as you say, in California the lawsuit state, only the shadiest of dealers would touch it if they knew)

Problem is the lawyer may cost more than you paid for the car, unless they can get punitive damages. Trouble is, those are actually rarely collected as the defendants immediately file bankruptcy, leaving you with the legal bill.

3) Share this information with your lender. I have no idea what they would do with it. They may go the legal route as in option 2, which best case scenario, they win the suit, collect the money and refund you what you already paid them. But you won't get yours until they get theirs, and that car will probably be long gone and have become a beer can or a park bench by then.

It's a bad situation, and obviously there is a loop hole in the title certification of used cars crossing borders. Of course, assuming that what we're seeing on this bastion of truth we call the internet is indeed true.

I would take option 3. The lender has a stake in this the same as you do, and they will have the same documentation the dealer provided you--which shows no intent or knowledge on your part. They can then enter the fray and as the "owner" of the title, will go after the folks who set up the fraudulent transaction. Just my opinion.

[Moto-Mojo]

That’s a nightmare scenario. Someone should be prosecuted. But we live in a lawless land now. Every man for himself. Good luck.

[InFiD3ViL]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

https://www.salvagebid.com/717671002...evrolet-camaro

https://www.bing.com/search?q=2G1FE1...32fdde61e8ffd6

I put the vin into a bing search, and this is what popped up.

Apparently, the car was sold through this auction site. I'm sure there would be some paper trail as to who purchased it from there. Not sure how things work in Canada, but somehow, clear title in Canada, auctioned to US buyer, they rebuilt it, replaced the BCM where the actual mileage is stored, and sold it as a clean title vehicle?

Options:

1) Crawl out of this rabbit hole, pretend like you never did the search, have this thread deleted and drive the car until the wheels fall off, or trade it in since apparently it has a clear title, you never saw any of this, and ignorance is bliss?

2) Hire a lawyer who will follow the paper trail to the perp that rebuilt the car, rolled back (for lack of better term) the odometer, and sold it as a clear history vehicle. (If you bought the car from a dealer, that dealer either took it in on trade or bought it at auction and may have no clue about this either, as you say, in California the lawsuit state, only the shadiest of dealers would touch it if they knew)

Problem is the lawyer may cost more than you paid for the car, unless they can get punitive damages. Trouble is, those are actually rarely collected as the defendants immediately file bankruptcy, leaving you with the legal bill.

3) Share this information with your lender. I have no idea what they would do with it. They may go the legal route as in option 2, which best case scenario, they win the suit, collect the money and refund you what you already paid them. But you won't get yours until they get theirs, and that car will probably be long gone and have become a beer can or a park bench by then.

It's a bad situation, and obviously there is a loop hole in the title certification of used cars crossing borders. Of course, assuming that what we're seeing on this bastion of truth we call the internet is indeed true.

I don't think Canada factors into this at all. It is just where our cars are built and why it is listed on every report. Looks like this all started in Ohio, then made it's way to California from what I was looking at last night.

[acutron42]

Your local dmv must have all the records of that car. When a car is sold at an auction branded as salvage it must go through a theft and safety inspection in order to deem it road worthy & get a title transfer. Any new parts must have receipts & body panels must be traceable as well by vin if purchased used. Different states have different regulations as well.

I wish you the best, I hate hearing these stories.

[TheFlyingBananaSS]

GET AN ATTORNEY RIGHT AWAY. YOU HAVE A SLAM DUNK CAUSE FOR THE LITIGATION.

[riozlander]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

https://www.salvagebid.com/717671002...evrolet-camaro

https://www.bing.com/search?q=2G1FE1...32fdde61e8ffd6

I put the vin into a bing search, and this is what popped up.

Apparently, the car was sold through this auction site. I'm sure there would be some paper trail as to who purchased it from there. Not sure how things work in Canada, but somehow, clear title in Canada, auctioned to US buyer, they rebuilt it, replaced the BCM where the actual mileage is stored, and sold it as a clean title vehicle?

Options:

1) Crawl out of this rabbit hole, pretend like you never did the search, have this thread deleted and drive the car until the wheels fall off, or trade it in since apparently it has a clear title, you never saw any of this, and ignorance is bliss?

2) Hire a lawyer who will follow the paper trail to the perp that rebuilt the car, rolled back (for lack of better term) the odometer, and sold it as a clear history vehicle. (If you bought the car from a dealer, that dealer either took it in on trade or bought it at auction and may have no clue about this either, as you say, in California the lawsuit state, only the shadiest of dealers would touch it if they knew)

Problem is the lawyer may cost more than you paid for the car, unless they can get punitive damages. Trouble is, those are actually rarely collected as the defendants immediately file bankruptcy, leaving you with the legal bill.

3) Share this information with your lender. I have no idea what they would do with it. They may go the legal route as in option 2, which best case scenario, they win the suit, collect the money and refund you what you already paid them. But you won't get yours until they get theirs, and that car will probably be long gone and have become a beer can or a park bench by then.

It's a bad situation, and obviously there is a loop hole in the title certification of used cars crossing borders. Of course, assuming that what we're seeing on this bastion of truth we call the internet is indeed true.

auto salvage auctions are weird with more and more youtubers doing re builds more of these auctions are starting to share files and compile sales list old and new and some of the info is off or miss matched. my teachers all measured under the hood during lunch the left strut tower is not even with the other and the left side is like 18/64th off from the right side.

i think ill just live with it and drive tell the wheels fall off it. i am as soon as im working and have a little bit of saving going to replace it with somthing with a 3800 V6 in it series 2 supercharged if i can find one. grandpa buick im cool with or a SS2 monty etc etc.i just love GM and big body cars what can i say.

i have a new skill im learning and a chance at making Real money i think option One but change it to a cautionary tale for others to look out for.

is it weird to feel super relived. i will be honest i fell totally out of love with this car 9-12 months ago. i loved when my buddy let me drive his RS v6 6M.
why was mine so meh. did i do that always wanted, finally got, ended up hating it.
i have my A to my Q. i bought a Turd and GM is not at fault nor camaro (thank god)
i still get super excited when I see any 5th gen camaro and try to get closer to see any mods wheels color etc the other person has on their 5th gen.

tho this does leave some options on the table now that this dark past has unfolded. im learning how to build a rollcage and how to Bead roll for structure bracing. Camaro Ute, Mad Max thing ? not like i can tank the resale value anymore

[riozlander]

Originally Posted by TheFlyingBananaSS

GET AN ATTORNEY RIGHT AWAY. YOU HAVE A SLAM DUNK CAUSE FOR THE LITIGATION.

the one downside, CA has fantastic laws for this stuff your going to be waiting a long time before stuff starts moving, our courts have been backed up for years.
one of the major reasons shoplifting is only prosecuted if theft is over 900$ now. To many crimes clogging the courts here, it is a reason so many lesser crimes or drug offenses went from felony to misdemeanor to ticket to they don't give a F anymore.

i also might have 8 months 1 year left here before i take off to CO for work.
do i want this fight when im about to make a massive change to my whole life move from my home state start a new job in a field I've never done working in Aero Space.

[acutron42]

I noticed that you have 2 different vin numbers posted.

https://steadyvin.com/full-view-2G1FE1E38C9170257
thats my vin

this is my car before i got it

http://lease.ly/2g1fe1e38c9120670.html

[Greenhornet2]

So I just ran the VIN on GM investigate vehicle history. It shows a salvaged title date 8/1/18. GM branded effective 9/7/18.

[Whoomba]

Originally Posted by acutron42

I noticed that you have 2 different vin numbers posted.

https://steadyvin.com/full-view-2G1FE1E38C9170257
thats my vin

this is my car before i got it

http://lease.ly/2g1fe1e38c9120670.html

That doesn’t make sense. How’d the vin get changed and how do you know it’s the same car?

[InFiD3ViL]

Originally Posted by Greenhornet2

So I just ran the VIN on GM investigate vehicle history. It shows a salvaged title date 8/1/18. GM branded effective 9/7/18.

Well I guess that's that huh. Damn, that sucks.