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KEEP RT · 06-07-2012, 11:35 PM

what is the estimated price?

axis · 06-08-2012, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 14pilot

Ok, based on what I'm reading here, this drawing is my interpretation of how this works. On the Left is a Black circle representing the OEM setup with the Throttle Blade (Red) at WOT. On the Right is the Throttle Blade at WOT after the Wedge is installed. The Throttle Blade being tilted to unmask the large Red area. Anyone else?

That's a nice pic but the problem is that you're drawing the opening coming right at you. In that case, one would look at those pics and say the "super wedge" corrects the TB angle when in fact it doesn't. If you took a pic of the TB from directly in front of both positions, they would look the same.

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Originally Posted by BFASTNOTLAST

So, your saying basically the FAST design was a waste?????? I guess it's in who you ask.

Isn't the fast TB spacer there to move the TB further out for clearance? I honestly don't know.

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Originally Posted by grocerygetter

ok...I understand its straightening the throttle blade...but you guys did remember its turning the tb, right? that means the original angle is still there in relation to the TB. All you are doing is giving a place for air to turn right after the TB. So really you are bouncing more air than originally intended off the bottom of the intake manifold...which shouldn't be a big deal really but may make it tumble different at the back of the intake manifold.

+1

This is what I think people are getting confused about.

JHart · 06-08-2012, 01:02 AM

The TBS does nothing, did nothing on my colorado, and has done nothing to anyone else with one. They, on some vehicles, make a whistling sound. to me they're nothing but a paperweight. One mod i won't do. sorry.

axis · 06-08-2012, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by litle88

Lmao!!!
Why only Dyno numbers?!
Take all of these different damn CAI's and "polished TB's" and now the almighty "super wedge" to the damn track! That's where the REAL numbers are, not the mustang or the dyno jet dyno's. Those are TUNING tools. PERIOD

How are your going to tell the difference between a 10whp CAI and a 15whp one, at the track. Yes theoretically it should show up, but there's too many variables to account for to make accurate comparisons.

14pilot · 06-08-2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by axis

That's a nice pic but the problem is that you're drawing the opening coming right at you. In that case, one would look at those pics and say the "super wedge" corrects the TB angle when in fact it doesn't. If you took a pic of the TB from directly in front of both positions, they would look the same.

In my modest little drawing I'm trying to show what the view is from the inside of the Intake Manifold on it's centerline, looking out through the Throttle Body. In the OEM version the blade appears eliptical with say that 10% of the TB opening blocked, in the "wedgie" version the blade appears directly on edge.

axis · 06-08-2012, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 14pilot

In my modest little drawing I'm trying to show what the view is from the inside of the Intake Manifold on it's centerline, looking out through the Throttle Body. In the OEM version the blade appears eliptical with say that 10% of the TB opening blocked, in the "wedgie" version the blade appears directly on edge.

So your pic is a look from inside the intake manifold to out?

Same thing applies though. It doesn't change the relationship of the TB blade to the TB itself. The question is, does this slight angle change make a difference. My thinking is that on a NA motor that has to suck air into the plenum, through the opposing runner holes, across the top of the intake, to the opposite head, this won't make a difference.

SSexy Camaro · 06-08-2012, 01:18 AM

i think an angle would help direct the airflow better

axis · 06-08-2012, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SSexy Camaro

i think an angle would help direct the airflow better

Direct it where? Where are the runner inlets on a LS3 intake?

litle88 · 06-08-2012, 01:49 AM

The runners look like trumpets, on the right bank they go from left to right and left bank they go right to left. So it doesn't really matter how the air is directed or straightened out. What's it going to do shoot straight to cylinders 7/8 lol. I don't think It really matters what angle the tb is, a super wedge is not going to make the tb any bigger, or Open wider or make it read 100% open or add plenum volume. I just don't get it. Camaro5.com makes me "stupider" lmao
Vararam please learn me.

axis · 06-08-2012, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by litle88

Camaro5.com makes me "stupider" lmao
Vararam please learn me.

Here in the south we call that MO Stupider.

Falundir · 06-08-2012, 05:20 AM

It was mentioned before, but how do we know that the TB wasn't designed to direct air in that manner, and making it go in straight might degrade performance.

Smirnoff · 06-08-2012, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Falundir

It was mentioned before, but how do we know that the TB wasn't designed to direct air in that manner, and making it go in straight might degrade performance.

^^^^
Exactly - just remember, merchants will sell you anything just to make a profit.....don't believe the hype!

Oh, and the person in the earlier post who mentioned salespeople being trustworthy, turn in your man-card, immediately!

IndeedSS1 · 06-08-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS

Here is a pic before and after.

I see you have one. What is your take, or are you allowed to say yet?

This has been fun to watch

And to the OP, we've seen your testing before and you really apprear to do a solid job. I guess you knew ahead of time that this type of item was going to bring out some interesting opinions.

Here's to your bravery

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 06-08-2012, 08:37 AM

You know me i like to try lots of things, i was going to a Dyno with the car 3 weeks ago(in Las Vegas we don't have one nearer then there), But it was cancelled do to the dealer remodeling the shop, so all i have is the old fell by butt, it helps the driving at WOT dose it make it a faster car by a lot no, but i fill it when i try and pass a car and dont want to down shift.

As some of you guys don't have a air flow bench how can you say any thing on what happens when the blade is in the Air stream? Why do you guys have your heads worked to remove the obstructions in the runners? is this not the same thing?.

In a N.A. motor the straightest path is the best..

06-07-2012, 11:35 PM	#57
KEEP RT Wonderfully Awful Idea Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Battle Ground, WA Posts: 1,456 View My Garage	what is the estimated price? __________________

06-08-2012, 01:02 AM	#59
JHart I haz camaro again :) Drives: 2010 Chevrolet Camaro 1SS Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Union, South Carolina Posts: 660	The TBS does nothing, did nothing on my colorado, and has done nothing to anyone else with one. They, on some vehicles, make a whistling sound. to me they're nothing but a paperweight. One mod i won't do. sorry. __________________ 2010 Camaro 1SS(back in a camaro again, yessssss!) 2010 silverado z71 ccsb(sold, old dd) 2010 camaro1ss(sold, missed, will have another someday)

06-08-2012, 01:18 AM	#63
SSexy Camaro Patiently Waiting Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New York Posts: 57 View My Garage	i think an angle would help direct the airflow better __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS A6 L99 American Racing Headers with X pipe straight back, K&N Aircharger CAI, TuneTime dyno'd @368 on Mustang Dyno

06-08-2012, 01:49 AM	#65
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	The runners look like trumpets, on the right bank they go from left to right and left bank they go right to left. So it doesn't really matter how the air is directed or straightened out. What's it going to do shoot straight to cylinders 7/8 lol. I don't think It really matters what angle the tb is, a super wedge is not going to make the tb any bigger, or Open wider or make it read 100% open or add plenum volume. I just don't get it. Camaro5.com makes me "stupider" lmao Vararam please learn me. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

06-08-2012, 05:20 AM	#67
Falundir Drives: 2017 1SS 1LE - Hyper Blue, P85DL Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: East Bay Posts: 2,189 View My Garage	It was mentioned before, but how do we know that the TB wasn't designed to direct air in that manner, and making it go in straight might degrade performance.

06-08-2012, 08:37 AM	#70
2SSRS@Gen5diy Drives: 2014 Z/28 #82+#192, 18ZLE 66Nova Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	You know me i like to try lots of things, i was going to a Dyno with the car 3 weeks ago(in Las Vegas we don't have one nearer then there), But it was cancelled do to the dealer remodeling the shop, so all i have is the old fell by butt, it helps the driving at WOT dose it make it a faster car by a lot no, but i fill it when i try and pass a car and dont want to down shift. As some of you guys don't have a air flow bench how can you say any thing on what happens when the blade is in the Air stream? Why do you guys have your heads worked to remove the obstructions in the runners? is this not the same thing?. In a N.A. motor the straightest path is the best..