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blackZbandit · 01-26-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OldTimer

I have yet to sit in a camaro, but, have at least seen the cloth interior. I have driven the 370Z and I can tell you the interior finish on the Z compared to the camaro is "somewhat" nicer. the camaro appears to be a bit blah in comparison. I really should not make that comparison until I actually see the leather SS. However, without nav the Z will run you $38k+ and is only a 2 seater. With nav it jumps to right at $41k. So, the camaro w/o nav is still a much better buy for pure power.

When you 'somewhat nicer' are you reffering to the interior materials or styling? Perception of materials quality is a bit less suggestive than styling, which I much prefer on the Camaro.

OldTimer · 01-26-2009, 03:32 PM

General appearance and finish. Really more of a "first" impression than anything else. The camaro interior I have seen first hand seemed all one very dark color. Now, I will say the Z had a sun roof and let in more light so that makes a big difference too. It is my belief, after seeing the new buick lacrosse, that the ABL in the camaro will make all the difference in the world. I am not trying to be negative towards the camaro, just an observation.

It won't change my mind about buying the 2 SS/RS. I am not buying it because of the interior! I do think if the ABL was working, more people would be slobbering over the show cars!!!

Redwolf20 · 01-26-2009, 03:46 PM

Who is to say the others aren't overpriced? A higher price doesn't necessarily equate to better quality or vice versa.

Like someone said above....quality is really subjective.

2010 SS · 01-26-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Redwolf20

Who is to say the others aren't overpriced? A higher price doesn't necessarily equate to better quality or vice versa.

Exactly! Which is why I'm wondering why Chevy/GM didn't attempt to charge what they could've.

.....Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they didn't, but since when were manufacturers so generous?

theholycow · 01-26-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010 SS

Exactly! Which is why I'm wondering why Chevy/GM didn't attempt to charge what they could've.

World domination.

Redwolf20 · 01-26-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010 SS

Exactly! Which is why I'm wondering why Chevy/GM didn't attempt to charge what they could've.

.....Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they didn't, but since when were manufacturers so generous?

Since they are hurting for cash and the economy is in shambles - for now. I believe they are banking on volume sold vice cash per car and I think they'll succeed.

The 2LT V6 is an incredible car for its price and will sell like hot cakes when fully commercialized and word of mouth gets around.

*DGthe3* · 01-26-2009, 04:44 PM

Much of the engineering work on the Camaro had been done previously. 2/3 engines are borrowed from other cars, and the other is the addition of a pre-existing technology to the LS3. The suspension is used in the G8 (and others). The transmissions are also used elsewhere in the GM lineup (I think). The chassis itself is a holden design which made its debut a couple years ago and has been modified for the Camaro. So a lot of the expensive engineering bits had already been payed for. Then take a look at features and GM has skimped a bit for the base models. And for the most part, exterior and interior design depend mostly on material and not shape. So styling didn't really add or save much money.

trm0002 · 01-26-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Redwolf20

Since they are hurting for cash and the economy is in shambles - for now. I believe they are banking on volume sold vice cash per car and I think they'll succeed.

The 2LT V6 is an incredible car for its price and will sell like hot cakes when fully commercialized and word of mouth gets around.

It sure is. If I was in my senior year of high school (wow, 23 years ago) I'd be on that like white on rice. A fully loaded 300HP Camaro for $27k ? A base model, still with 300HP, for $23k ? They won't be able to make them fast enough for the general population once an actual marketing blitz comes on line and ours are seen driving around on the streets this summer. And that my friends is EXACTLY what GM needs right now and why it's "so cheap". My .02

detroitboy · 01-26-2009, 06:45 PM

I'll give you an example of "quality at a glance"....that would be the orange peel in the paint. The cars we have seen so far have not been factory paint quality. They have been specially painted and gone over by hand before the public has seen them. I would assume this means they are of a higher quality than the factory paint would be.
If that is the case they have a LOT of room for improvement, and if the factory paint is worse than what we have seen so far many people are not going to be happy with their cars.

The Great KJ · 01-26-2009, 06:55 PM

In the old days Chevrolet was more about pricing and value. The working man's car so to speak.

trm0002 · 01-26-2009, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great KJ

In the old days Chevrolet was more about pricing and value. The working man's car so to speak.

And they used to call the Camaro the poor man's Corvette. There is nothing "poor" about $36k...

RT21 · 01-26-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chewy4ce

Camaro offers great performance for the least amount of money.

The camaro also has plenty of new technology...the Launch Control, No-lift, New Zeta II platform, Stability Control, Traction Control, Sport Mode...yep...we gonna have fun and not have to worry about hitting any walls or going off cliffs

Where can you find out what all those technologies do? I'm kinda lost on all those gadjets.

RT21 · 01-26-2009, 07:21 PM

Ford has always been higher prices for less everything. If you go way back to 67, Ford has the worst performance for price. Ford parts are at least 20% higher than Chevy or Dodge. As for Dodge, they have been historically in the middle on both fronts. It just seems like Chevy is more concerned about the customer over the years then the other two.

blackZbandit · 01-26-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OldTimer

General appearance and finish. Really more of a "first" impression than anything else. The camaro interior I have seen first hand seemed all one very dark color. Now, I will say the Z had a sun roof and let in more light so that makes a big difference too. It is my belief, after seeing the new buick lacrosse, that the ABL in the camaro will make all the difference in the world. I am not trying to be negative towards the camaro, just an observation.

It won't change my mind about buying the 2 SS/RS. I am not buying it because of the interior! I do think if the ABL was working, more people would be slobbering over the show cars!!!

OK... I see. The vast dark expanse is what I like about the interior; it is very simple in it's overall design and utilitarian without being too spartan... unequivocally unique.

The Z interior is far to fussy for me... it looks like a cockpit of a mecha robot.

01-26-2009, 04:44 PM	#21
DGthe3 Moderator.ca Drives: 05 Grand Am GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Niagara, Canada Posts: 25,372	Much of the engineering work on the Camaro had been done previously. 2/3 engines are borrowed from other cars, and the other is the addition of a pre-existing technology to the LS3. The suspension is used in the G8 (and others). The transmissions are also used elsewhere in the GM lineup (I think). The chassis itself is a holden design which made its debut a couple years ago and has been modified for the Camaro. So a lot of the expensive engineering bits had already been payed for. Then take a look at features and GM has skimped a bit for the base models. And for the most part, exterior and interior design depend mostly on material and not shape. So styling didn't really add or save much money. __________________ Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them __________________ Originally Posted by FbodFather My sister's dentist's brother's cousin's housekeeper's dog-breeder's nephew sells coffee filters to the company that provides coffee to General Motors...... ........and HE WOULD KNOW!!!! __________________ Camaro Fest sub-forum

01-26-2009, 06:45 PM	#23
detroitboy Pinholic Drives: 11 Silverado, 08 Shelby GT500 Conv. Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Macomb, Mi Posts: 698	I'll give you an example of "quality at a glance"....that would be the orange peel in the paint. The cars we have seen so far have not been factory paint quality. They have been specially painted and gone over by hand before the public has seen them. I would assume this means they are of a higher quality than the factory paint would be. If that is the case they have a LOT of room for improvement, and if the factory paint is worse than what we have seen so far many people are not going to be happy with their cars. __________________ Almost had a 2SS/RS, IOM, orange accent interior, 6 speed manual, sunroof & polished wheels ordered 01/19/07 3000 - 2/27/09 3400 - 3/27/09 3800 - 4/17/09 (built and lost in the vortex) ship date ??????? (I gave up and got a GT500) 5/11/09 - order cancelled 5/27/09 - vehicle arrived at dealership for whoever bought it after me

01-26-2009, 06:55 PM	#24
The Great KJ The Great KJ Drives: 09 Challenger R/T & 05 Caravan Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Longmont Colorado Posts: 481 View My Garage	In the old days Chevrolet was more about pricing and value. The working man's car so to speak. __________________ Former Cars - 1980 Z28 / 1987 IROC-Z / 1991 Z28

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01-26-2009, 03:32 PM	#16
OldTimer Drives: 2012 Victory Red ZL1 MG9 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 376	General appearance and finish. Really more of a "first" impression than anything else. The camaro interior I have seen first hand seemed all one very dark color. Now, I will say the Z had a sun roof and let in more light so that makes a big difference too. It is my belief, after seeing the new buick lacrosse, that the ABL in the camaro will make all the difference in the world. I am not trying to be negative towards the camaro, just an observation. It won't change my mind about buying the 2 SS/RS. I am not buying it because of the interior! I do think if the ABL was working, more people would be slobbering over the show cars!!!

01-26-2009, 03:46 PM	#17
Redwolf20 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lemoore, CA Posts: 364	Who is to say the others aren't overpriced? A higher price doesn't necessarily equate to better quality or vice versa. Like someone said above....quality is really subjective.

01-26-2009, 07:21 PM	#27
RT21 Sage of Thread Killing Drives: IBM Tumbler Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Melbourne Beach, FL Posts: 2,362	Ford has always been higher prices for less everything. If you go way back to 67, Ford has the worst performance for price. Ford parts are at least 20% higher than Chevy or Dodge. As for Dodge, they have been historically in the middle on both fronts. It just seems like Chevy is more concerned about the customer over the years then the other two.