Who out there DOESN'T want FI (turbo) ?

[JustinZS]

Originally Posted by Omega94

Hm...I'd prefer to have my V8 N/A. I'm not really worried about it, though, because most likely the top level V8 (the one that could potentially be S/C) will be out of my price range. Besides...I would like to have a V8 that puts out 400-450 RWHP (with mods)...and I don't think a supercharger is necessary for that...

ah but a s/c is necessary if you want to pump out 500+ hp to take down a gt500

Its going to be interesting if we have forced induction being used in both the entry level model (4 cyl turbo) and a top end performance model (v8 supercharged?). I can already see the aftermarket tuners drooling

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by JustinZS

ah but a s/c is necessary if you want to pump out 500+ hp to take down a gt500

LS7=505 hp . . .

[Omega94]

Originally Posted by JustinZS

ah but a s/c is necessary if you want to pump out 500+ hp to take down a gt500

Three things...

1. Like DGthe3 said: the LS7 is N/A and it makes 505 hp

2. I stated that I would like to get my Camaro up to, or somewhere between 400 and 450 RWHP. The LS7 in the Z06 dynos as high as 460ish in RWHP (stock)...and the GT500 produces less than that. Remember, I'm talking power to the pavement.

3. My goal is not to beat a GT500...and I never said it was. My goal is to merely get my RWHP levels up around 400-450.

I don't mean to be, well, mean...I just wanted to clarify those things for you.

[LS9CamaroSS]

ok all i hear is about the V8 on here... What about the V6? i know they make blowers for them... the DI V6 has a 11:1 CR so would this engine handle the 5-6 lbs of boost and what would we expect the gains to be out of this upgrade? i was just reading the CTS Car & Driver review... they said the engine was like this: "Push in the clutch after running first gear toward the 7000-rpm redline, and the engine lets out an unflattering moan. Strange whooshing and droning sounds accompany any changes in throttle position. As one tester glibly put it, 'The CTS has more strange sounds than a haunted house.'" could this be a clue to poor structual integrity of the engine, or just something to do with the intake or the injection? either way i wanna get this engine and put a decent S/C on it... as long as i won't blow something out...

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

ok all i hear is about the V8 on here... What about the V6? i know they make blowers for them... the DI V6 has a 11:1 CR so would this engine handle the 5-6 lbs of boost and what would we expect the gains to be out of this upgrade? i was just reading the CTS Car & Driver review... they said the engine was like this: "Push in the clutch after running first gear toward the 7000-rpm redline, and the engine lets out an unflattering moan. Strange whooshing and droning sounds accompany any changes in throttle position. As one tester glibly put it, 'The CTS has more strange sounds than a haunted house.'" could this be a clue to poor structual integrity of the engine, or just something to do with the intake or the injection? either way i wanna get this engine and put a decent S/C on it... as long as i won't blow something out...

For me to justify supercharging a V6, an enormous amount of other work would already have to be done on the motor. I would upgrade everything I could buy before I even considered supercharging it. By then, I'm sure the power numbers would be pretty competitive with a higher trim, but the expense would be far more than the difference. I can see doing it just to prove that V6 motors can compete, but most of us already know that. I'd rather tear apart a V8 and do all that work, then supercharge that. The horsepower will be more if you invest the same money or less in a V8, so I don't really see the point.

[Chocolate Apocalypse]

As far as I'm concerned only an LSA/8/9 will do. If the motor is built right from the beginning (all the forged goodies) all you would need to do is pulley up for a lot more HP. No replacing weak cast rods or pistons (stock LS cranks are plenty strong enough) or fuel system upgrades to make an NA motor reliable under boost. Sure an NA motor can run safely on 6 to 8 pounds of boost when tuned properly tuned but I'd rather have the peace of mind knowing I'm not going to burn a hole in a piston or send a rod out the side of the block. And I havent heard it yet but I'm sure it will come up at some point..."GM has never needed FI to whip up on the other guys" *cough* 03-04 Cobra *cough* To hear the same whine coming from the top dog 5th gen would put a smile on my face and send everything else on the road running for cover.

Mmm, blower.

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Chocolate Apocalypse

As far as I'm concerned only an LSA/8/9 will do. If the motor is built right from the beginning (all the forged goodies) all you would need to do is pulley up for a lot more HP. No replacing weak cast rods or pistons (stock LS cranks are plenty strong enough) or fuel system upgrades to make an NA motor reliable under boost. Sure an NA motor can run safely on 6 to 8 pounds of boost when tuned properly tuned but I'd rather have the peace of mind knowing I'm not going to burn a hole in a piston or send a rod out the side of the block. And I havent heard it yet but I'm sure it will come up at some point..."GM has never needed FI to whip up on the other guys" *cough* 03-04 Cobra *cough* To hear the same whine coming from the top dog 5th gen would put a smile on my face and send everything else on the road running for cover.

Mmm, blower.

+1

[LS9CamaroSS]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

For me to justify supercharging a V6, an enormous amount of other work would already have to be done on the motor. I would upgrade everything I could buy before I even considered supercharging it. By then, I'm sure the power numbers would be pretty competitive with a higher trim, but the expense would be far more than the difference. I can see doing it just to prove that V6 motors can compete, but most of us already know that. I'd rather tear apart a V8 and do all that work, then supercharge that. The horsepower will be more if you invest the same money or less in a V8, so I don't really see the point.

well what if that is all i can aford? i want to do all this stuff to my car because it is what i can afford...

[smokn']

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

well what if that is all i can aford? i want to do all this stuff to my car because it is what i can afford...

i guess u could consider blowing a 6, but it just kinda smells like rice 2 me

[Mythic]

Originally Posted by LS9CamaroSS

well what if that is all i can aford? i want to do all this stuff to my car because it is what i can afford...

A better answer might be it probably isnt cost effective to go this route unless you really plan for this to be a long term project. To put a S/C on the V6 you will be looking at pulling the engine out and putting in forged components. detuning it slightly to lower the compression to compensate for the blower. header/exhaust changes. Put too much extra HP and Torque in and you'll be looking at a new transmission to handle that too.

I would say look at the base V8 and as long a term payment as you can stomach to get the car into your monthly price range.

[mprhead5]

who the F*@K needs 500hp+ on a street car? I would be perfectly happy with a 400hp ss and a 440-460 hp Z28 for a few grand more. Don't go all off the handle with this supercharger setup that will jack the price up way too much. your going to end up with a 29k ss and a 40k Z28 and nobody will be able to afford it. I miss the good old days of 27k for a z28 and 30k for a top line

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by mprhead5

who the F*@K needs 500hp+ on a street car? I would be perfectly happy with a 400hp ss and a 440-460 hp Z28 for a few grand more. Don't go all off the handle with this supercharger setup that will jack the price up way too much. your going to end up with a 29k ss and a 40k Z28 and nobody will be able to afford it. I miss the good old days of 27k for a z28 and 30k for a top line

SOmetimes car makers need like a halo car. I could totally see a supercharged Z28 or something like that making 500+ hp being a halo Camaro. It helps with the the image of the entire lineup even if it ends up being a limited production car that's too expensive for most. Heck most of us don't even need 400hp on the roads these days.

[mario82z28]

a supercharged camaro would be radical, but a four banger turbo charged or not DOES NOT belong under the hood of that beautiful car. Its a muscle car not an import pos

[ralniv]

Originally Posted by mprhead5

who the F*@K needs 500hp+ on a street car? I would be perfectly happy with a 400hp ss and a 440-460 hp Z28 for a few grand more. Don't go all off the handle with this supercharger setup that will jack the price up way too much. your going to end up with a 29k ss and a 40k Z28 and nobody will be able to afford it. I miss the good old days of 27k for a z28 and 30k for a top line

GM's 100k mile powertrain warranty would have me feeling comfortable with a force fed V8. However, I do share you concern about cost differentials between the premium V8 (assumed SS) and top line V8 (assumed Z28). I'll jump on the Z28 if they can offer it for a base price of $35k. I'm not paying more for a Camaro unless they go more upscale on interior.