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afterdigital · 03-13-2008, 03:02 PM

not sure if anyone seen this

Silverado · 03-13-2008, 03:03 PM

Yep,

.....and there goes Corey's 15 minutes of fame...

Sorry Corey attention spans around here are sometimes a little short.

You still did a great job with the pics, and handling the situation in person. Glad to have you as a member, hope you (or someone else) can find more opportunities to get some more shots. I certainly won't have any around my neck of the woods.

Kyle2k · 03-13-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Emu the Foo

that and also there is no skill in driving an auto. manaul is funner and shows if you are a good driver or not

May be the truth but there is no class in saying that...especially the driver part, then again you are the one asking if you should break your car in

Rant over

On a side note, do professional drag racers not "know what they are doing?"

blindingillusion · 03-13-2008, 03:26 PM

Professional drag racing "automatic" transmissions are not even comparable to anything that goes into a production vehicle. Not in the slightest.

Silverado · 03-13-2008, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

May be the truth but there is no class in saying that...especially the driver part, then again you are the one asking if you should break your car in

Rant over

On a side note, do professional drag racers not "know what they are doing?"

Really, I want to know what "Drag Racing" has to do with this? I mean, if all you are looking to do is get a car that can run through quarters, then great, but most of us here are looking for a car that will not only have great performance, but be a daily or semi-daily driver. Will some take it to the strip and run it? Absolutely. But, the majority of us won't do that often enough to let the "drag racing performance" dictate the options on the car.

I know you're right....I know a purpose built, racing tranny, automatic will shift faster than any person can shift a manual. But, as it was mentioned, that kind of tranny adds a lot of cost and pretty much makes the vehicle undriveable on a daily basis. So, I don't think that has any bearing on the conversation.

(Continuing with the thread jack), I haven't decided on the tranny yet. I would like a manual 6spd, but I know that it will sometimes seem like a chore. And, I know it will become second nature eventually as well. But, my wife can't drive a manual (and I don't have access to one to teach her how or keep her in practice with doing it). While I'm not buying this car for her to drive regularly, she will drive it far more often than I take it to the drag strip. Paddle shifters....I can take them or leave them. I don't drive with both hands on the wheel and in the "10 and 2" position, so the paddle thing is a little lost on me. I would have to change my driving habits to make it very useful. I just don't know yet.

Kyle2k · 03-13-2008, 03:36 PM

Illusion, please explain the vastly different parts and principles it utilizes that couldn't be added in the aftermarket to a production tranny. Obviously it can't handle the same amount of power, but please, prove it. Track times however at our local track and countless videos of automatics prove that they are faster than almost all people that drive a manual. If not, the person couldn't repeat their results from the manual if their life depended on it.

And if daily driving IS your concern, would that be even a question of which one would be better? Unless you don't plan on driving out of a town of like a few thousand people, the automatic would still win in that category.

Omega94 · 03-13-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyle2k

And if daily driving IS your concern, would that be even a question of which one would be better? Unless you don't plan on driving out of a town of like a few thousand people, the automatic would still win in that category.

First off, I understood what you were saying from your first post, I just wanted to add my perspective. You did, however, clarify what you meant in regards to "feeling better about yourself." Hey, I don't care if you want an auto...to me, it doesn't make a person any more or less of a person to drive an auto OR a manual. Furthermore, maybe it is or isn't really a true musclecar without a manual...who invented the musclecar...let's ask them!

As to your comment above...how do we define better in this case?? Gas mileage?? Ease of driving?? Driving Experience?? To me, a manual would be better!

I hate driving automatics...I feel like I'm not doing anything...I feel too uninvolved. But I'll take a wild guess and say 'better' to you would be an auto. That's fine!

There's nothing wrong with that...but automatic doesn't just win that 'category' hands down. Someone else said it already...but, To each his/her own

You get your auto, I'll get my manual...and no matter what anyone says...we'll still be part of the same brotherhood/sisterhood, we'll all be part of the Camaro family

Silverado · 03-13-2008, 04:20 PM

Sorry, Kyle, I didn't really finish my post...got sidetracked here at work...

I agree that for the majority of people driving on the roads, an auto will shift faster than they can. Not to say that with some practice, people can't get better, but even then, there are still missed shifts/mis-shifts/etc. Not with an auto though (okay, one in proper working order anyway).

I'd bet 60% are sold with autos and that number goes up if the paddle shifted version is offered.

While manuals are more fun, they are more work. Just a preference. If you're racing on the street...the Camaro should be able to beat most cars out there with either setup.

*GTAHVIT* · 03-13-2008, 04:43 PM

Here's a recent article on LLN.

It's a good article that summarizes *sigh* everything we already know.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-camaro.html

Noteworthy quote:..."Lutz referred to the V8 as "big," lending possible credence to the earlier report of an all-new 6.2L V8."

Killer CamAro · 03-13-2008, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega94

Another thing is this...will the shift points be fully adjustable? Because that would be good too...Just some things to mull over...

Thats what the paddle shifters are for

Emu the Foo · 03-13-2008, 05:55 PM

I KNOW SOMEONE ALREADY POINTED OUT THAT THE GAS CAP AND MIRRORS ARE BLK BUT I JUST NOTCIED THE HANDLES. I DONT KNOW IF ANYONE SAW THAT ALREADY. PLEASE DONT MAKE FUN AT ME

DILLIGAF · 03-13-2008, 06:05 PM

THIS IS MY OPINION:

For the purpose of the production camaro, the 6 Speed manual will be able to shift faster with an experienced driver than the A6. Stock for stock the M6 will beat the A6 in the 1/4 because of less drivetrain loss, all other variables equal. I accept the possibility that the A6 could be very close if not equal.

As far as the drag racing:
Automatics will beat manuals for the simple fact that the drags are run bracket style. they are not straight up. In order to win a bracket style drag race you need to be consistent. there is nothing more consistent than an auto tranny. period!

Kyle2k · 03-13-2008, 06:10 PM

Nice posts everyone, I am just trying to represtent the side of this argument that doesn't ever seem to have a majority of people on their sides (and i like to argue

). Anyways, another reason I am getting an auto is because my parents are going to be the primary drivers (not really but for insurance sake thats what theyll be called), nonetheless, they will be driving the car and asking my mom to drive a manual on a brand new car, lol, yeah not going to do that.

blindingillusion · 03-13-2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle2k

Nice posts everyone, I am just trying to represtent the side of this argument that doesn't ever seem to have a majority of people on their sides (and i like to argue

). Anyways, another reason I am getting an auto is because my parents are going to be the primary drivers (not really but for insurance sake thats what theyll be called), nonetheless, they will be driving the car and asking my mom to drive a manual on a brand new car, lol, yeah not going to do that.

I don't give a damn if some one drives and Auto or a Manual. I was just simply pointing out the fact that you can not compare a dragster's automatic to an everyday automatic.

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03-13-2008, 03:26 PM	#130
blindingillusion Drives: 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt 2LT Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Morgantown WV Posts: 196 View My Garage	Professional drag racing "automatic" transmissions are not even comparable to anything that goes into a production vehicle. Not in the slightest. __________________ Ordered: 2010 Black 2SS/RS -CGM Ralley Stripes -Hurst Short Throw Shifter -20" Polished Aluminum Wheels Has Owned: 2008 Cobalt 1996 Monte Carlo 1988 Sierra 1979 LeSabre

03-13-2008, 04:43 PM	#135
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	Here's a recent article on LLN. It's a good article that summarizes sigh everything we already know. http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-camaro.html Noteworthy quote:..."Lutz referred to the V8 as "big," lending possible credence to the earlier report of an all-new 6.2L V8." __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

03-13-2008, 05:55 PM	#137
Emu the Foo Drives: 92 Cadillac Sedan DeVille S/C Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 328	I KNOW SOMEONE ALREADY POINTED OUT THAT THE GAS CAP AND MIRRORS ARE BLK BUT I JUST NOTCIED THE HANDLES. I DONT KNOW IF ANYONE SAW THAT ALREADY. PLEASE DONT MAKE FUN AT ME __________________ I JUST WANT MY 400+ HORSES

03-13-2008, 06:05 PM	#138
DILLIGAF Drives: 2023 ZL1 M6 Rapid Blue Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Western NY Posts: 357 View My Garage	THIS IS MY OPINION: For the purpose of the production camaro, the 6 Speed manual will be able to shift faster with an experienced driver than the A6. Stock for stock the M6 will beat the A6 in the 1/4 because of less drivetrain loss, all other variables equal. I accept the possibility that the A6 could be very close if not equal. As far as the drag racing: Automatics will beat manuals for the simple fact that the drags are run bracket style. they are not straight up. In order to win a bracket style drag race you need to be consistent. there is nothing more consistent than an auto tranny. period! __________________ 2023 Rapid Blue ZL1 M6 \| Corsa NPP \| Corsa Carbon Fiber Intake \| Hardwired Valentine1 Gen 2 \| Pro Clip Phone Mount \|

03-13-2008, 03:03 PM	#128
Silverado GM Guy For Life Drives: 2010 GMC Yukon XL Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 971 View My Garage	Yep, .....and there goes Corey's 15 minutes of fame... Sorry Corey attention spans around here are sometimes a little short. You still did a great job with the pics, and handling the situation in person. Glad to have you as a member, hope you (or someone else) can find more opportunities to get some more shots. I certainly won't have any around my neck of the woods.

03-13-2008, 03:36 PM	#132
Kyle2k LVL 50 Troll Stomper Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 3,463	Illusion, please explain the vastly different parts and principles it utilizes that couldn't be added in the aftermarket to a production tranny. Obviously it can't handle the same amount of power, but please, prove it. Track times however at our local track and countless videos of automatics prove that they are faster than almost all people that drive a manual. If not, the person couldn't repeat their results from the manual if their life depended on it. And if daily driving IS your concern, would that be even a question of which one would be better? Unless you don't plan on driving out of a town of like a few thousand people, the automatic would still win in that category.

03-13-2008, 04:20 PM	#134
Silverado GM Guy For Life Drives: 2010 GMC Yukon XL Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 971 View My Garage	Sorry, Kyle, I didn't really finish my post...got sidetracked here at work... I agree that for the majority of people driving on the roads, an auto will shift faster than they can. Not to say that with some practice, people can't get better, but even then, there are still missed shifts/mis-shifts/etc. Not with an auto though (okay, one in proper working order anyway). I'd bet 60% are sold with autos and that number goes up if the paddle shifted version is offered. While manuals are more fun, they are more work. Just a preference. If you're racing on the street...the Camaro should be able to beat most cars out there with either setup.

03-13-2008, 06:10 PM	#139
Kyle2k LVL 50 Troll Stomper Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 3,463	Nice posts everyone, I am just trying to represtent the side of this argument that doesn't ever seem to have a majority of people on their sides (and i like to argue ). Anyways, another reason I am getting an auto is because my parents are going to be the primary drivers (not really but for insurance sake thats what theyll be called), nonetheless, they will be driving the car and asking my mom to drive a manual on a brand new car, lol, yeah not going to do that.