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Old 04-22-2020, 02:37 PM   #7015
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Is it GM’s goal to ruin all their profitable badges?

The loss of the diesel sucks, but from what I understand the shut down of Thai operations put the 2.8L's future in question to begin with.


Otherwise I've been advocating the midsize trucks get the 2.7T for a while. The 2.5L seems like mainly a fleet engine and the 2.7T is more powerful than the 3.6L.
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Old 04-22-2020, 02:38 PM   #7016
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GM Authority reporting that 3rd gen Colorado/Canyon will be available only with the 2.7L Turbo.
As much as I like the 3.6 V6, I would give it up for the nearly 350TQ that the 2.7 offers...assuming they don't nerf the power figures from the Silverado version. It would be a fantastic engine for the regular trimmed Colorado and Canyon trucks. I think some will be upset that the diesel is gone though. I'm also assuming this will only raise the base price of the truck even more. Maybe that's why they dropped the very base trim for 2021 which brought up the starting MSRP quite a bit? So when the next gen drops, people don't freak because it starts 4 grand higher or something.

Ford is likely going to drop a turbo V6 into the Ranger Raptor, so if GM is smart, they will do the same for the next ZR2. Would be a real shame if they didn't.

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Unless that 2.7 is some POS (I haven't read that) most people seem to really want the 2.7 in the mid-size trucks. It just makes sense. Who wouldn't want over 310 HP and 348TQ in a midsize with a 10 speed. Yes please.
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Colorado/Canyon often gets called a lifestyle vehicle.

So, a question: When has any turbo 4 succeeded for GM, other than as a way to make an appliance pill go down easier?
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Old 04-22-2020, 05:36 PM   #7018
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Colorado/Canyon often gets called a lifestyle vehicle.

So, a question: When has any turbo 4 succeeded for GM, other than as a way to make an appliance pill go down easier?

I would think the 2.0T was fairly successful when it debuted with the Solstice GXP and Skyline Redline. I would say the newer versions( such the one in the XT4) have been more lackluster though.
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I would think the 2.0T was fairly successful when it debuted with the Solstice GXP and Skyline Redline. I would say the newer versions( such the one in the XT4) have been more lackluster though.
Yup, and the Cobalt SS (2009+)
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Lack of customer demand (think I read 10% take rate or something on C7) plus desire to not breach the tunnel.
It is such a waste to rid the vette of such a great gear box. Sport cars and manuals have been a natural for so many years. As odd as this sounds coming from me (I have been an auto trans fan for a long time), the manual gear box will be sorely missed in the vette, especially Z06.
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I would think the 2.0T was fairly successful when it debuted with the Solstice GXP and Skyline Redline. I would say the newer versions( such the one in the XT4) have been more lackluster though.
The 2.0L turbo has taken a slightly more sedate profile, now that it is shared across the board with many GM models. It still can develop good power and torque, and it is still an amazing performer. The turbo was still blazing when it was introduced in Malibu in '13. It had some quality quirks the first year, but that stemmed from its owners using regular gas with it. The turbo engine requires premium. It is a silent but deadly pistol, in that it can get you into illegal speeds much faster than you'd realize it. The engine made cobalt SS a celebrity on the street, but sadly it went almost un-noticed in the Malibu and in current models. I'd say that its almost a secret weapon. No one would suspect that Malibu could be near lethal with its turbocharged engine. I would love to see GM develop the turbo installation on more powerplants.
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Old 04-23-2020, 09:18 AM   #7022
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It is such a waste to rid the vette of such a great gear box. Sport cars and manuals have been a natural for so many years. As odd as this sounds coming from me (I have been an auto trans fan for a long time), the manual gear box will be sorely missed in the vette, especially Z06.
Especially when GM was caught using false % take rates to justify having no manual...

I love that they are offering a DCT. I have experience with AMG, BMW M, Porsche PDK etc DCTs. Great transmissions, but they bore me after about 10 mins of driving and I end up leaving them in D and no longer using the paddles.

That's why I own 3 manual cars, and will only buy manual sports cars. GM took the C8 off my want list with this decision.
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Old 04-23-2020, 09:43 AM   #7023
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Still no manual with the vette?
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Lack of customer demand (think I read 10% take rate or something on C7) plus desire to not breach the tunnel.
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Manual take rate for the last year of C7s - the lowest of all C7 production was over 20% take rate, with the ZR1s leading the way at 30%.

Those are much higher numbers than the C4 era - showing 15% take rates.

The tunnel doesn't need to be breached with a cable driven shifter, no different than a Porsche.
I was hard-pressed to find a C7 Grand Sport with a manual. ~8-9 out of 10 that I looked at were automatics. JMHO, but the GS is a track car and why you'd want the slush box 8 speed auto is beyond me. To each their own.

As far as the C8 only offering a DCT, I was salty at first, but I can stomach it now that I've heard that it is spot on and really performs. I'll be adding a C8 Z06 in the future.
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I was hard-pressed to find a C7 Grand Sport with a manual. ~8-9 out of 10 that I looked at were automatics. JMHO, but the GS is a track car and why you'd want the slush box 8 speed auto is beyond me. To each their own.

As far as the C8 only offering a DCT, I was salty at first, but I can stomach it now that I've heard that it is spot on and really performs. I'll be adding a C8 Z06 in the future.
No idea why dealers ordered so many A8s, especially with their known issues.

Have you driven a DCT? I highly suggest a lengthy test drive including city and back road driving before you commit.
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Especially when GM was caught using false % take rates to justify having no manual...

I love that they are offering a DCT. I have experience with AMG, BMW M, Porsche PDK etc DCTs. Great transmissions, but they bore me after about 10 mins of driving and I end up leaving them in D and no longer using the paddles.

That's why I own 3 manual cars, and will only buy manual sports cars. GM took the C8 off my want list with this decision.
I was late in life in having a manual, despite knowing others with manual shift cars. Its quite a different driving experience, and its best in light traffic and the open road. When you mate a potent power plant with a stout stick, you can feel the power come thru your hand. I'm sad that the manual is fading, and I only regret not having a manual car earlier.
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No idea why dealers ordered so many A8s, especially with their known issues.
I have to assume statistics. Take rates. But, if your statement on falsifying those rates is true......
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The 2.0L turbo has taken a slightly more sedate profile, now that it is shared across the board with many GM models. It still can develop good power and torque, and it is still an amazing performer. The turbo was still blazing when it was introduced in Malibu in '13. It had some quality quirks the first year, but that stemmed from its owners using regular gas with it. The turbo engine requires premium. It is a silent but deadly pistol, in that it can get you into illegal speeds much faster than you'd realize it. The engine made cobalt SS a celebrity on the street, but sadly it went almost un-noticed in the Malibu and in current models. I'd say that its almost a secret weapon. No one would suspect that Malibu could be near lethal with its turbocharged engine. I would love to see GM develop the turbo installation on more powerplants.
The first sentence and the one about un-noticed are my point.

I'm aware of the GXP Solstice, Redline Sky, Cobalt later SS. I don't think those cars lacked a following because of performance or weren't promoted. They were basically import fighters. Also the role of the CT4-V. I don't think that can be a wide spread role.

There's a movie quote about magic. It goes roughly: It's not the secret, it's the trick you use it for. The Silverado L3B wasn't received well, and that connection can hurt the CT4. If they switch the Colorado/Canyon benchmark from Tacoma to Ranger. They may just re-inforce them as segment front-runners.

GM doesn't really have the papa Henry/papa Toyoda effect in their favor.
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I have to assume statistics. Take rates. But, if your statement on falsifying those rates is true......
Is this one of the things people blame aginst Tadge Juchter? Was the foot well size one of his, too?
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