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BullF-16 · 02-21-2014, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by litle88

That's a good tuner.

Yes, Yes he is. Pat G is a genius. Unfortunately he lives just over 6 hrs away. He also does not like meth. He drove all the way up for my first tune then i drove down to Victoria Tx when i pulley'd down the D1. He didnt even charge me for that tune. Kurt Decker(LSX Performance) didnt charge me for his dyno time. We just shot a bunch of ammo after we were done.

Couple really good dudes.

James Karger is gonna tune my new twin setup here in a week. He loves the meth and is excellent according to my research. I cant get E85 so might as well use my alky system thats already installed.

Bad Dad · 02-21-2014, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by litle88

Plugs were ok just in the wrong application.

These forums need a like button

Bo White · 02-21-2014, 05:19 PM

My ZL1 plugs do me fine at the point Im at but once I do anything else Im buying plugs and injectors.

BullF-16 · 02-21-2014, 05:27 PM

This thread just got me thinking....... I popped my #5 piston ringlands after upping the boost from 6 to 11 psi and up to 715rwhp. I was running -6 plugs when i was 6 psi and 637whp.

When i pulley'd down and added meth the shop i used at the time did not change out the plugs to -7 heat range. Just the smaller pulley, meth and tune.

Six weeks later and 6 gallons of meth my motor copped an attitude and there went #5 on the factory motor. Wonder if a cooler plug would have made it last a little longer.

I was on a mission to see how much crap the motor could take, and it held up pretty long. Just wonder if a cooler plug would have prolonged it a little longer

Food of thought.

dan0617 · 02-21-2014, 06:33 PM

Denso IT-22's or IT-24's to be extra safe. These are good for nitrous use as well.

dan0617 · 02-21-2014, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BullF-16

This thread just got me thinking....... I popped my #5 piston ringlands after upping the boost from 6 to 11 psi and up to 715rwhp. I was running -6 plugs when i was 6 psi and 637whp.

When i pulley'd down and added meth the shop i used at the time did not change out the plugs to -7 heat range. Just the smaller pulley, meth and tune.

Six weeks later and 6 gallons of meth my motor copped an attitude and there went #5 on the factory motor. Wonder if a cooler plug would have made it last a little longer.

I was on a mission to see how much crap the motor could take, and it held up pretty long. Just wonder if a cooler plug would have prolonged it a little longer

Food of thought.

So you were at 11 psi and 715 RWHP on -6 projected tip plugs? Pretty good chance they were turning into glow plugs and caused detonation. I would have used at least a 7 heat range, if the meth shot was small and/or the fuel was less than 93 octane I would have used an 8.

Another thing to add for anyone reading......a forged motor won't last any longer or hold any more power than the stock motor if the plugs are too hot. It creates detonation (preignition to be exact) that timing retard by the computer's knock sensor cannot help.

Bo White · 02-21-2014, 07:24 PM

Agreed, you can have the best amps and speakers in the world but distortion will kill it.

Trob85 · 02-21-2014, 07:34 PM

Why don't you just ask your tuner what he's comfortable with if he says whatever call ngk (great company) they will answer all questions you have and give you the best option. I made the mistake of asking a spark plug question on here after a piss and moan match, just like this is turning into, and I just talked to my tuner we went with tr6 plugs runs perfect. Just don't waste your time on here you'll get a million answers for the million options.

BullF-16 · 02-21-2014, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dan0617

So you were at 11 psi and 715 RWHP on -6 projected tip plugs? Pretty good chance they were turning into glow plugs and caused detonation. I would have used at least a 7 heat range, if the meth shot was small and/or the fuel was less than 93 octane I would have used an 8.

Another thing to add for anyone reading......a forged motor won't last any longer or hold any more power than the stock motor if the plugs are too hot. It creates detonation (preignition to be exact) that timing retard by the computer's knock sensor cannot help.

Im pretty sure they were -6 plugs but i doubt projected tips. I did not ask Dallas Performance at the time. I know i was not charged for new plugs. So i was at 11 psi with meth on a D1sc with 65# FAST injectors that were at 88% duty cycle on the dyno tune. I asked if ID1000s were better and was told the meth would compensate. I had a big question mark on that remark so i take responsibility for my stupidity. I also beat the living crap out of the motor and now have a new HKE built LSX 427 that is stupid.

realcanuk · 02-21-2014, 08:54 PM

This is the result of the wrong plugs on with a boosted LS3....

ToddB · 02-21-2014, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by realcanuk

This is the result of the wrong plugs on with a boosted LS3....

I can weld that.

realcanuk · 02-21-2014, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ToddB

I can weld that.

We tried....

Went with crazy glue instead..

tkrupinski · 02-21-2014, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by realcanuk

This is the result of the wrong plugs on with a boosted LS3....

That's a FN mess. Hate to see that.

JD_Alaska · 02-21-2014, 10:32 PM

Little where's your pic?

02-21-2014, 05:19 PM	#31
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,018	My ZL1 plugs do me fine at the point Im at but once I do anything else Im buying plugs and injectors. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

02-21-2014, 05:27 PM	#32
BullF-16 USAF retired! Thank God! Drives: 2011 1SS, 1LT red,1LT/RS SGM 98Z28 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,799	This thread just got me thinking....... I popped my #5 piston ringlands after upping the boost from 6 to 11 psi and up to 715rwhp. I was running -6 plugs when i was 6 psi and 637whp. When i pulley'd down and added meth the shop i used at the time did not change out the plugs to -7 heat range. Just the smaller pulley, meth and tune. Six weeks later and 6 gallons of meth my motor copped an attitude and there went #5 on the factory motor. Wonder if a cooler plug would have made it last a little longer. I was on a mission to see how much crap the motor could take, and it held up pretty long. Just wonder if a cooler plug would have prolonged it a little longer Food of thought. __________________ HKE LSX427(Mast blk lbl 305 6bolt LS7heads, PatG231/246 blower cam, RWHP/TQ: 1281/1133 SNL Performance Custom Twin PT6766 BB turbos 4 to 25psi selectable on the Boost Leash controller, Squash dual 400LPH/ID2000s, ALKY 4 gal meth, Autometer AFR/Bst/oilpres/oiltemp/fuelpress gauges, Pedders Justice road crs pkg: All HD bushes, supercar 12kg coil overs, supercar ZL1 sways, camber plates all setup by JusticePete! :Gforce 9" 35spline S-Trac, 1500hp Outlaw axles, 3.5"alum DS, Monster Triple disc; 4xForgeline 19x10.5 4xBridgestone 305/30R19 RE-11, CTS-v calipers/rotors/Cobalt friction XR1/3 pads

02-21-2014, 06:33 PM	#33
dan0617 Drives: 2011 Inferno Orange SS Convertible Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Tyrone, PA Posts: 640 View My Garage	Denso IT-22's or IT-24's to be extra safe. These are good for nitrous use as well. __________________ 2011 SS IOM Vert. ECS Vortech 13+ psi, Water/Meth, ID850’s, ZL1 pump with MSD Voltage Booster, 2800 stall, LT headers, Drag radials, Drag alignment, Cradle Bushings. A million other supporting mods. Tuned by Ted.

02-21-2014, 07:24 PM	#35
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,018	Agreed, you can have the best amps and speakers in the world but distortion will kill it. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

02-21-2014, 07:34 PM	#36
Trob85 Svt lol Drives: 2011 ss inferno orange blown Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Topeka Posts: 2,312	Why don't you just ask your tuner what he's comfortable with if he says whatever call ngk (great company) they will answer all questions you have and give you the best option. I made the mistake of asking a spark plug question on here after a piss and moan match, just like this is turning into, and I just talked to my tuner we went with tr6 plugs runs perfect. Just don't waste your time on here you'll get a million answers for the million options. __________________ plasti dip is not a mod.......and a cold air intake doesn't make you fast!

02-21-2014, 08:54 PM	#38
realcanuk Drives: 2007 Corvette C6 983 RWHP Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 690	This is the result of the wrong plugs on with a boosted LS3.... __________________ 2007 C6 vert, auto, F55, LT3 LME LS402 , WCCH 245 Heads, Pat G. Custom cam YSI / 3.0 pulley, ARH 1 7/8 headers, NPP Dewitts / dual spals, A&A dual pump fuel system. 3.42 polished gears, hardened shafts, Alky control meth, Cartech line lock, ECS axle loops, Trans brace, 6L80 built by me. ID 1000 injectors, comp rockers, Morel lifters, BT springs, Trend 3/8 pushrods, ATI 10% OD Damper Circle D Triple Disc stall 1009 RWHP @ 7000, 817 RWTQ @ 6000,

02-21-2014, 10:32 PM	#42
JD_Alaska Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Coupe L99 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: North Pole Alaska Posts: 393 View My Garage	Little where's your pic?