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JTRATX · 09-24-2016, 08:41 PM

I was very surprised the 2016 1LE was faster than the Z28. Barely faster, but still.......

What surprised me were a few things:
Tires: Trofeo 60 treadware vs Goodyear ?? treadware
Brakes: CCB vs steel
Weight: 1LE around 123lbs less

Z28 Lap: 1.37:82
https://youtu.be/YP51uuYqdk8

2016 1LE Lap: 1.37:78
https://youtu.be/xjKjnbOsSEs

JUSTIFIED · 09-24-2016, 08:51 PM

It's amazing that the 1LE is faster around Laguna Seca. Chevy is doing things right!

The 1LE was nearly 4 seconds slower on VIR. The same driver drove both cars so that's a constant, but there are certainly other factors that could affect the time. The same could be said for the lap time on Laguna Seca.

It's great to see American cars doing so well (and that includes the GT350R) against the European comp.

D2M · 09-24-2016, 11:29 PM

Dont forget 1 lap is 1 lap. 1LE wont be able to sustain that pace for more than a few laps. In a 20 / 30 min session he Z will be well ahead.

Tom03z06 · 09-24-2016, 11:47 PM

Randy Pobst had mentioned the brake fade towards the end as well.

Chris93Si · 09-25-2016, 12:48 AM

Very surprising, I'd love to see them tested back to back with the same driver though. I'd also like to know if their Z28 time was on fresh tires, seems I read something about their longterm Z28 picking up something crazy like 2 seconds at Chuckwalla after they put on fresh tires. It's not crazy to think it could've been the same car with worn out tires.

Regardless, awesome showing for the 1LE.

URBAN LEGEND · 09-25-2016, 08:08 AM

It's called progress. Now imagine what times the new Z/28 would do in your favourite 1 lap races.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 09-25-2016, 09:13 AM

It's called cold tires, the Z/28 need 2 laps to get the tires up to temp.

Crushinator · 09-25-2016, 10:39 AM

I guess the new Camaro platform is just that good. For a car with less power, steel brakes, and inferior handling to get around any track faster than the Z/28, while it makes absolutely no sense to me, shows just how good the overall car is. As mentioned, just imagine what the new ZL1 or possibly new Z/28 will be capable of.

I still love my car though.

charlie46 · 09-25-2016, 10:53 AM

I would not say the 1le is faster 2/10 s of a second around Mazda Laguna seca is an anomaly . Around vir z28 is 3 seconds faster and after 1 lap 1les breaks fade ... Z28 would be consistent lap after lap !

69L48Z27 · 09-25-2016, 06:02 PM

Who new the made a 2016 1LE. Thought they were starting that in '17.

JUSTIFIED · 09-25-2016, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69L48Z27

Who new the made a 2016 1LE. Thought they were starting that in '17.

It is a 2017... the OP just accidentally listed it as 2016.

Unreal · 09-25-2016, 08:24 PM

Nothing to do with cold tires. They do multiple laps and take the best of them.

6th gen is a huge leap forward in handling and chassis. The new zl1 and new z28 should be even more impressive.

Hell put some decent pads and trofeos on the 1le and it would be amazing and probably drop another few seconds.

The_Raging_Bull · 09-25-2016, 09:55 PM

one lap wonder, in a real race the brakes on the Z would eat the 1LE alive, enabling the driver to enter each corner faster braking deeper and accelerating out faster.

Tom03z06 · 09-25-2016, 10:14 PM

At the end of the day Its all about the driver. Unfortunately the 1LE looks like any other 6th gen. IMHO

09-24-2016, 08:41 PM	#1
JTRATX Drives: 17 SS 1LE, 14 Yukon Denali Join Date: May 2015 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 355	Z28 slower than a 2016 1LE I was very surprised the 2016 1LE was faster than the Z28. Barely faster, but still....... What surprised me were a few things: Tires: Trofeo 60 treadware vs Goodyear ?? treadware Brakes: CCB vs steel Weight: 1LE around 123lbs less Z28 Lap: 1.37:82 https://youtu.be/YP51uuYqdk8 2016 1LE Lap: 1.37:78 https://youtu.be/xjKjnbOsSEs

09-24-2016, 08:51 PM	#2
JUSTIFIED Drives: 2015 black Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 1,077	It's amazing that the 1LE is faster around Laguna Seca. Chevy is doing things right! The 1LE was nearly 4 seconds slower on VIR. The same driver drove both cars so that's a constant, but there are certainly other factors that could affect the time. The same could be said for the lap time on Laguna Seca. It's great to see American cars doing so well (and that includes the GT350R) against the European comp. __________________

09-25-2016, 08:08 AM	#6
URBAN LEGEND Drives: 20 X3M CP & 19 ZL1 1LE A10 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Brenham, TX Posts: 3,517	It's called progress. Now imagine what times the new Z/28 would do in your favourite 1 lap races. __________________ 🔺22 RS E TRON GT 🔺21 Model S Plaid

09-25-2016, 10:39 AM	#8
Crushinator Drives: '15 Z/28 #783 Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: PA Posts: 456 View My Garage	I guess the new Camaro platform is just that good. For a car with less power, steel brakes, and inferior handling to get around any track faster than the Z/28, while it makes absolutely no sense to me, shows just how good the overall car is. As mentioned, just imagine what the new ZL1 or possibly new Z/28 will be capable of. I still love my car though. __________________ 2015 Z/28 A/C and audio

09-25-2016, 08:24 PM	#12
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Nothing to do with cold tires. They do multiple laps and take the best of them. 6th gen is a huge leap forward in handling and chassis. The new zl1 and new z28 should be even more impressive. Hell put some decent pads and trofeos on the 1le and it would be amazing and probably drop another few seconds. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

09-24-2016, 11:29 PM	#3
D2M Drives: Z/28 Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: NJ Posts: 538	Dont forget 1 lap is 1 lap. 1LE wont be able to sustain that pace for more than a few laps. In a 20 / 30 min session he Z will be well ahead.

09-24-2016, 11:47 PM	#4
Tom03z06 Drives: z28 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: arizona Posts: 20	Randy Pobst had mentioned the brake fade towards the end as well.

09-25-2016, 12:48 AM	#5
Chris93Si Drives: 2015 Z28 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: WV Posts: 54	Very surprising, I'd love to see them tested back to back with the same driver though. I'd also like to know if their Z28 time was on fresh tires, seems I read something about their longterm Z28 picking up something crazy like 2 seconds at Chuckwalla after they put on fresh tires. It's not crazy to think it could've been the same car with worn out tires. Regardless, awesome showing for the 1LE.

09-25-2016, 09:13 AM	#7
2SSRS@Gen5diy Drives: 2014 Z/28 #82+#192, 18ZLE 66Nova Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	It's called cold tires, the Z/28 need 2 laps to get the tires up to temp.

09-25-2016, 10:53 AM	#9
charlie46 Drives: 2013 camaro 1le Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: staten island Posts: 451	I would not say the 1le is faster 2/10 s of a second around Mazda Laguna seca is an anomaly . Around vir z28 is 3 seconds faster and after 1 lap 1les breaks fade ... Z28 would be consistent lap after lap !

09-25-2016, 06:02 PM	#10
69L48Z27 Drives: 2015 Z/28; 1969 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: York, PA Posts: 805	Who new the made a 2016 1LE. Thought they were starting that in '17.

09-25-2016, 09:55 PM	#13
The_Raging_Bull Raging Bull Reborn Drives: '09 CGM Z063LZ '15 RH Z/28 #0631 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Broken Arrow OK Posts: 765 View My Garage	one lap wonder, in a real race the brakes on the Z would eat the 1LE alive, enabling the driver to enter each corner faster braking deeper and accelerating out faster. __________________ Toy 1 '15 RH Z/28 w/AC & Radio S/N 0631 Toy 2 '09 CGM Z06 3LZ My DD: '17 Ford Mustang GT Her DD: '14 F150 Ecoboost 3.5

09-25-2016, 10:14 PM	#14
Tom03z06 Drives: z28 Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: arizona Posts: 20	At the end of the day Its all about the driver. Unfortunately the 1LE looks like any other 6th gen. IMHO