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They could of easily made it fit price wise between the 1LE and the ZL1 but GM wouldn't of been able to throw on the CCBrakes, the DSSV suspension and what not. Those exotic racing parts cost money, and there is no way I can see GM building a car just to lose money on it like Bugatti apparently does. I would presume that if the public ever saw a price breakdown of what GM earns on each vehicle they produce, I would think the Z/28 is in the same ballpark as most every other vehicle that GM makes, I'm certain that the price of $75K wasn't determined as a means to price gouge their customers. Quote:
Problem arose when GM chose to make it part of the Camaro line-up and use the Z/28 Moniker, it played on a huge fan base that has certain expectations of the car and of course it ruffled their feathers. If people could step back and look at the car in a different light, not as a Camaro but as something completely different (as a brand new model maybe?) than they wouldn't have Price point expectations associated with the name Camaro Z/28 and judge the car not on it's labeling but on it's content and technology, then they would see what value it really is. |
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09-19-2014, 03:45 PM | #59 | |
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To me it is fun to see all of the performance choices out there today with cars.. We have come a long way
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09-19-2014, 04:45 PM | #61 |
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I don't agree..
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09-19-2014, 05:27 PM | #62 | |
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I'm not talking about lap times, hype or which is better. I'm talking about value, bang for the buck, what your money gets you. There are way faster and better cars out there than the Z/28, without a doubt. But for what you get in return for what your paying, you'd be hard pressed to find anything comparable. IMO For instance The GTR Nismo is twice the price (at $150,000) and around VIR it's 1.5 seconds faster then the Z/28. The GTR is a sublime and incredible car to be sure but as far as bang for the buck... I think it's fair to say your dollar gets you more with the Z/28. It's not as fast around a track or in a straight line...but for $75K LESS, your right there in the thick of it mixing it up with 6 figure cars. And FYI I've been called a troll and fanboy on other forum's for defending the GT-R's ever since they came out in 2007 because believe me I love them. From 2007-2011 I think the GT-R was the best bang for the buck you could get (before their price hike). But today, with the introduction of the Z/28, value wise, I think you get more for your money with the Camaro. Same with the ZL1, it's an incredible car and you get so much more for your money. But with only $17K difference between the two I think the Z/28 is a far better VALUE. Debating which is a better car is another story, I'm strictly talking about what you get for what you pay. Maybe I'm wrong I dunno, but that's how I see it. |
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09-19-2014, 05:34 PM | #63 | |
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People who don't get the value this car represents should look elsewhere instead of trash-talking the "overpriced Z/28". Before ordering mine I looked at many alternatives for track cars that I could drive to the circuit. The most promising of these was building out a Boss 302 to be, in essence, a streetable 302S. To do that properly was going to take more than $75K total, and the performance would have been eclipsed by the Z/28. I have yet to hear anyone who's a dyed-in-the-wool road course racer talk this way. 100% of these folks -- including folks I meet at the track who are Mustang or Viper owners -- rave about my car. One guy I know has an insanely developed Z06 track car, with full aero and 750hp by Katech -- along with a curb weight that barely touches 3,000 pounds. He asked to ride with me at Thunderhill, and then proceeded to laugh out loud -- at the end of every straight -- about how insanely great the brakes on the Z/28 are. People with track cred love the car. I don't much care about discussions that don't focus on the car's performance in the venue for which it was created...
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09-19-2014, 05:42 PM | #64 |
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Eclipse.. that is what I am talking about. No price mentioned.. but when speaking of price and I mean 15k less the zl1 runs right with it or close..
I absolutely LOVE the Z28, I caught myself drooling over it at the dealer and I would buy the z28 in a heart beat if it did not cost so much more than a zl1 which is close on the road course and beats it at the strip.. then everyday driver there is no comparison if that is your goal also. Both sweet cars but the ones listed AS "Eclipsed" are not eclipsed by the z28.. more like it just barely eaked out a better time.. In the end it Just come up with what you are planning to do with it, What your Justifications are for a car.. Sweet rides now go drive...lol
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09-19-2014, 06:07 PM | #65 |
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Guess it comes down to unless your looking for a track car its just not too good a value.
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09-19-2014, 07:28 PM | #66 |
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09-19-2014, 08:39 PM | #67 |
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Zfatuated, everyone looks at different things in a car. i am entitled to my opinion just like you are. i just dont see the price in a Z28 when it overshadows cars like the ZL1 and the vette. thats just me. its a limited market for a car like the z28.
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09-19-2014, 09:46 PM | #68 |
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Those of you saying that the Z/28 was designed for a limited and specific use and customer...Yeah Duh! Like has been said if you don't get it, it's not for you...buy something else and be happy with your purchase. JUST BE THANKFUL THAT GM HAS THE STONES TO DESIGN AND BUILD A CAR LIKE THIS!
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Oh if you are a hater of the Z28 it is because you cannot afford it or have your nose out of joint because you are trying to justify that your car is better. How can you be a hater of a car that is within a second of cars costing hundreds of thousand more.
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09-19-2014, 10:01 PM | #70 | |
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Some people want it, some don't. Not wanting to own one does not make anyone less of an enthusiast or, as some would suggest, a "hater". Last edited by titanfan; 09-20-2014 at 07:14 AM. |
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