New Camaro Recall - Ignition Switch System / Key Fob

[Ringo64]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

If you read my statement again, I very clearly describe the key and fob with nothing on it.

Your physics example requires a lot more rotational force to be applied to the stationary object in the 'chain'- the key- than the model supports, as the fob is not directly moving the key in the manner the recall describes. As an example, if I place a rod through a chain link and then spin the rod, am I spinning the chain link too? Only if the chain link has enough friction, right? Well then how am I spinning the stationary rod by bumping the chain link then? The chain link will just swing.

The only way the full force is applied to the key by the fob is when mechanically the fob cannot be rotated further- think about it- and it binds on the keyring. Prior to that point in my stated example, there is not enough friction to turn the key, becasue the fob isn't heavy enough. Your model requires a moment arm mine doesn't and can't have. The ignition is designed to need 3 or 4 lbs of pressure if I recall correctly. Thanks for trying to make me look ignorant just the same, but to refute my statement, you changed my model

Put something of the same weight as your fob and swing it while holding the key in your hand. Feel the force? In order to make the "swing" you have to have opposite force applied on the chain-link which leads to the base. Yeah, that is exerted on your ignition. Very minimal but there is a force. Multiply that a couple hundred times of doing it and the ignition "required force of 3 or 4lbs" will lessen as it wears over time from regular use and this applied extra force. I never stated that it would happen immediately.

I never changed the model, only increased it to a worst case scenario with more weight. More weight, more likely chance of it showing up sooner. Just like the current GM scenario, everything little variable has to come into play.

[spyderbuddy]

Originally Posted by camguynj

Expect it to look like this

Not going to happen, now they can do this.

http://youtu.be/XIcmTzs8pkQ

[redleader]

So..... :-(

1/ What do we do if we are the 3rd owner of a Camaro 2010 and not on Chevrolet's contact list?
2/ What do we do if it is a UK import, in the UK, when there are NO Chevy Dealers or Camaro Sales/Service in the UK anymore ?!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...h-problem.html

[Darwood]

Originally Posted by redleader

So..... :-(

1/ What do we do if we are the 3rd owner of a Camaro 2010 and not on Chevrolet's contact list?
2/ What do we do if it is a UK import, in the UK, when there are NO Chevy Dealers or Camaro Sales/Service in the UK anymore ?!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...h-problem.html

I'd say don't hit the key fob with your knee. If you haven't hit it yet, you're fine. The recall is silly and probably affects every car made with the switchblade key.

[Angrybird 12]

The thing is you know the issue and what may cause it. You can now make allowances in your seating position or just be aware when you move your leg and bump the key fob it could shut off. Being aware of something that could happen keeps you prepared to take action if it does. I say practice moving your leg around to different positions to see when or if this could happen.

Just a small note, back in 2001 I was driving my 2000 GMC Sierra to Texas. Going down 4 lane interstate at 75mph surrounded by traffic two lanes over from the emergency lane my truck shut off. Did I cause a wreck? No. Did I panic? No. What did I do, well first I bumped it to neutral and tried restarting, when that didn't work I turned on my right signal and made my way to the emergency lane and stopped. No drama, no accidents. Just know what happens and don't panic. The problem with my truck was the crankshaft position sensor. Many things can cause your car to just quit, you have to be prepared if it ever happens to you.

[Ringo64]

Originally Posted by redleader

So..... :-(

1/ What do we do if we are the 3rd owner of a Camaro 2010 and not on Chevrolet's contact list?
2/ What do we do if it is a UK import, in the UK, when there are NO Chevy Dealers or Camaro Sales/Service in the UK anymore ?!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...h-problem.html

If I were you, I wouldn't even worry about it. Unless it's a reoccurring issue for you.

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Many things can cause your car to just quit, you have to be prepared if it ever happens to you.

Amen

[Darwood]

Originally Posted by Ringo64

Usually you should have to shift to neutral while in motion to turn the car off and on. The issue with Toyota, on some, supposedly is that the shifter locked and they couldn't get into neutral. So now we have the ability to turn it off in drive and we have these issues.

Effectively, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

That's not correct. You can always turn the car off if it has a traditional ignition regardless of gear. The problem with the Toyota was the keyless ignition. Since it's a button you have to hold and press it to turn the ignition off.

Also the button that some manufactures have on ignitions is there to keep the keys from coming out of the ignition. It doesn't stop anyone from turning the ignition off.

[jeffa]

Originally Posted by Darwood

Dammit, I checked the law and 49 USC Section 30120 means that they can't deliever until the defect has been corrected. I don't see any loopholes to this.

The defect has been corrected with the new key/fob setup, just not implemented yet. Can't see why this should stop sales.....

[jeffa]

Originally Posted by SSMY1LE

If you have bought the car (deposit paid) then they honor any and all incentives offered at the time of the deal being reached. Delivery date has nothing to do with it.

No purchase yet, no deposit either.

I can just see someone going to a dealer and asking to buy a Camaro, and the salesman says "I can't sell you a Camaro, but how about this nice Cruz?" Like that would ever fly.

As to a new car sale, no dealer in his right mind will take a deposit on a vehicle without writing up a sales contract...no way to bind you to the sale without the contract. If the contract is signed and the car is not delivered, the dealer is on the hook if the car is damaged or stolen. If your current car is part of the deal as a trade in, the dealer is going to want your car NOW to prevent a loss should your car get into an accident or totaled before you pick up your new car.

Not to mention your insurance company is going to want you to have insurance on the car even though it is not delivered, but there is a signed contract that says you must prove insurance within 5 days of this contract being signed. So now you are paying insurance foe 2 cars.

Dealers want cars sold and off the lot ASAP to prevent the above scenario's. Can't Believe that Chevy dealers are going to wait however long to sell a Camaro....they can't afford lost business.

[Darwood]

Originally Posted by jeffa

The defect has been corrected with the new key/fob setup, just not implemented yet. Can't see why this should stop sales.....

The way I read it, the issue has to be remedied before delivery can occur, i.e. implemented.

[Darwood]

Originally Posted by jeffa

No purchase yet, no deposit either.

I can just see someone going to a dealer and asking to buy a Camaro, and the salesman says "I can't sell you a Camaro, but how about this nice Cruz?" Like that would ever fly.

As to a new car sale, no dealer in his right mind will take a deposit on a vehicle without writing up a sales contract...no way to bind you to the sale without the contract. If the contract is signed and the car is not delivered, the dealer is on the hook if the car is damaged or stolen. If your current car is part of the deal as a trade in, the dealer is going to want your car NOW to prevent a loss should your car get into an accident or totaled before you pick up your new car.

Not to mention your insurance company is going to want you to have insurance on the car even though it is not delivered, but there is a signed contract that says you must prove insurance within 5 days of this contract being signed. So now you are paying insurance foe 2 cars.

Dealers want cars sold and off the lot ASAP to prevent the above scenario's. Can't Believe that Chevy dealers are going to wait however long to sell a Camaro....they can't afford lost business.

I'm still driving my trade-in. I should go do some power slides...

[Majic]

Originally Posted by jeffa

No purchase yet, no deposit either.

I can just see someone going to a dealer and asking to buy a Camaro, and the salesman says "I can't sell you a Camaro, but how about this nice Cruz?" Like that would ever fly.

As to a new car sale, no dealer in his right mind will take a deposit on a vehicle without writing up a sales contract...no way to bind you to the sale without the contract. If the contract is signed and the car is not delivered, the dealer is on the hook if the car is damaged or stolen. If your current car is part of the deal as a trade in, the dealer is going to want your car NOW to prevent a loss should your car get into an accident or totaled before you pick up your new car.

Not to mention your insurance company is going to want you to have insurance on the car even though it is not delivered, but there is a signed contract that says you must prove insurance within 5 days of this contract being signed. So now you are paying insurance foe 2 cars.

Dealers want cars sold and off the lot ASAP to prevent the above scenario's. Can't Believe that Chevy dealers are going to wait however long to sell a Camaro....they can't afford lost business.

I am in the business and NO...we can't sell them until they are complied with. Really sucks.....we have 3 waiting to be delivered!!! INCLUDING MINE!!!

[Darwood]

Originally Posted by camguynj

Expect it to look like this

It better look like that or I'm going to be pissed. Well, more pissed.

[Low Saturn]

Originally Posted by Darwood

I'd say don't hit the key fob with your knee. If you haven't hit it yet, you're fine. The recall is silly and probably affects every car made with the switchblade key.

From my experiments, every car with a steering column mounted ignition Ive tried is able to be turned off with my knee if I try hard enough. Regular or switchblade style key. But I don't think I could do it by accident on any of them. Including the Camaro.

Originally Posted by Darwood

It better look like that or I'm going to be pissed. Well, more pissed.

The loaner Sliverado I have right now has this. Trust me, you don't want it. I've owned a lot of GM vehicles over the years and this has got to be the worst designed FOB I've seen. I works, but it looks and feels like something you get in the crappy toy isle from the grocery store. The FOB for my 2008 Saturn Aura was better. Heck, the FOB for my 2001 Suburban is better.