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and like you said" track day car" . that being said, the ariel atom is the best bang for your buck oin a track day car. not a 70K camaro....
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04-22-2013, 07:34 PM | #184 |
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how is this so hard for people to understand?
The ZL1 is ALREADY up there with porsche's, R8's, z06 (standard), ferrari's, ariel atom 3, etc... LOOK at the lap times. Nurburgring lap times. VIR lap times. and the z/28 is to be advertised to be 3 seconds faster around a 3 mile course... which puts it ABOVE all those high dollar cars up there ^. even at 80k, with those numbers, this car will still be bang for buck. give me some cars that you think will outperform the z/28 at that price range. new for new, stock for stock. no monster miata BS, i even have a hard time with people trying to compare the ariel atom to a full size car with seating for 4 too... we all know that these are apples to oranges comparisons.
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3 NEW cars that will have comparable performance to a z/28 around the track for under 70k. ariel atom v8 is WELL over the camaro's price. a quick google search showed they are over $200k and according to C&D, the ariel atom 3 was slower than the zl1 around VIR. not to mention its a single seater, no door or roof, open wheel track car.
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04-22-2013, 07:43 PM | #186 |
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like ive said, this car is in a class of its own. so you have to compare it to cars of the same purpose. track purpose cars...areil atom... hands down. 30k. light. track purpose and daily driver. best car. other than that...z06. still get radio, nav.... this is why gm will have a hard time selling this to anyone other than a true camaro enthusiast. there is no market for a 70k camaro that has no radio and is intended for the track. most people have dedicated track cars that are in this catagory. in a catagory close to this would be cars like the M3, S5, boss 302, gtr, z06. higher scale.... cayman R, mercedes black series, even the new viper... i know viper has had track cars in the past, but those are TRUE track cars with roll cages ready to race. this camaro is not that serious. but you could compare it to a viper of that caliber
people looking for a NEW track purpose 2nd or 3rd car, are few nad far between. anyone serious about track days has a car for that and isnt planning on spending 70K for it. people looking for a 2nd or 3rd car for a "toy" will more than likely be looking in the used car market. and in that field, you open up all other types of competition. for 70 or 80K like you said, id be looking for a panamera turbo so me and 3 of my friends can all enjoy the laps . but seriously, there will be alot of other used options for this purpose that will fulfill anyones track day urge and save them money. all a track day car needs to really be quick is the right set of wheels and tires, and brakes. obviously thats what they did with the camaro.
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2. M3, S5, boss 302, cayman R, mercedes c63 black? these cars are all a joke for the z/28. heck, they are a joke for the zl1... 3. the other cars you listed are all at least 30k above the 70k mark, set aside the Z06 which still starts 5k above the 70k mark and.. 4. unless you get the z07 (which is 100k+), the standard z06 WILL be lapped by this car. did you even look at the lap times i linked? again... 3 cars Quote:
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I would ask of the experts, why then is there even more than one make/model of car that is tracked?...If all the prices and data are known, why isn't the best valued one, price and performance wise, the only car that's worth tracking/racing?....lol
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04-22-2013, 07:59 PM | #189 |
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did you not read what i said? there is no car in this class! because theres no void to be filled! thats hwy i said it goes in other classes that it may compete with. and the ariel atom is 56K...and the z06, yeah id still take it over this camaro... it has a radio and lower ownership cost and will be way more fun to drive around a track than the heavy pig camaro. cayman r is priced similar to the estimated z28 price. this is probably the closest car in its category other than the boss 302, z06 and even the exotics.. so there you have it. no matter the price. all those cars are still in its league. this category isnt based on $ obviously. its based on capability.
when you think of track day cars, you have to compare cost of car to performance. there are plenty of other cars that will run close to this z28 and be thousands less. and thats something consumers have to weigh. should i buy a 70K camaro that runs X time? or 40K car that runs X seconds slower in the lap than the 70K camaro? because who cares what a professional racing driver lapped this car in..... if you cant do that same time, it dont mean $hit!
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if everything is just numbers, why do we see mustangs and challengers on the road?
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04-22-2013, 08:08 PM | #191 |
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this is the same idea behind if gm brings out the Holden ute as the el camino..... gm will have this category on lock down. it will be the best god damn car/truck on the market! because the market doesn't exist for it.
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all these numbers are compared ot the ZL1 running the ring. id like to see 1 camaro owner who had their ZL1 running the ring as quickly as GM got it...... ill bet theres not a single guy on here who is running the times GM got out of the car.
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yup. my point is, everyone is saying its 3 seconds quicker than the zl1......ok...well, average joe, show me!
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thinking is hard
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