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Moreair1 · 03-18-2018, 09:45 PM

Yup thats why i included the non corrected number as well, but to be honest my data isnt solid for that info, i had issues with my bap, which i didnt figure out till later looking at my logs, some idiot tuner had the values set too high (yes it was me) so the bap wasnt really helping me much, injector was at 92 percent at 6550 rpms and fp was at 41without much bap assistants
Dreksnot will have alot better insight into the information your looking for

dreksnot · 03-18-2018, 10:08 PM

ZL1 pump - 600hp w/BAP - 650hp
LPE pump - 700hp w/BAP - 750hp (these are CTS-V pumps)
If you’re wanting more, add an auxiliary pump (bandaid IMO) or go Squash/Fore dual - 1200hp, triple pump - 1800hp

Plenty of injector size calculators findable with Google or just try manufacurer websites.

Good luck.

DSMer1 · 03-18-2018, 11:36 PM

Don't forget he is wanting to do it on E85.

dreksnot · 03-18-2018, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DSMer1

Don't forget he is wanting to do it on E85.

If the tuning is right, then those numbers can be matched or exceeded with E85. Hits the limit of volume of fuel pumpable fuel but the additional timing can more than compensate for that. So, reference those numbers. Plus, the resistance of detonation using E85 is just great.

DSMer1 - what do you drive and why are you so argumentative about this?

Bo White · 03-19-2018, 12:10 AM

I was out of fuel at 682rwhp on 93 with my LPEs with no BAP.

DSMer1 · 03-19-2018, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dreksnot

If the tuning is right, then those numbers can be matched or exceeded with E85. Hits the limit of volume of fuel pumpable fuel but the additional timing can more than compensate for that. So, reference those numbers. Plus, the resistance of detonation using E85 is just great.

DSMer1 - what do you drive and why are you so argumentative about this?

Lol, I'm not trying to argue, I just don't think it's a good idea to run on the ragged edge of pump.
Not trying to come off as a prick, so sorry if you took it that way.
On gasoline I would think he is good to go, on E70 or higher I think he is pushing his luck. Only one way to find out for sure, crank the BAP up and let her rip, just make sure to log fuel pressure.
Are you saying when he runs out of pump to just try and make more power with timing?
As to what I drive, it's a SS, Burns corn and is not out of pump.

eLeSthree · 03-19-2018, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo White

I was out of fuel at 682rwhp on 93 with my LPEs with no BAP.

Which injector?

Moreair1 · 03-19-2018, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo White

I was out of fuel at 682rwhp on 93 with my LPEs with no BAP.

Was your car a auto by chance?

0331Marine · 03-19-2018, 11:35 AM

I can't turn the bap up past 14.8V LPE advised against it. I can change the pumps out for higher flowing pumps. I only have $400 in the LPE set up.

dreksnot · 03-19-2018, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DSMer1

Lol, I'm not trying to argue, I just don't think it's a good idea to run on the ragged edge of pump.
Not trying to come off as a prick, so sorry if you took it that way.
On gasoline I would think he is good to go, on E70 or higher I think he is pushing his luck. Only one way to find out for sure, crank the BAP up and let her rip, just make sure to log fuel pressure.
Are you saying when he runs out of pump to just try and make more power with timing?
As to what I drive, it's a SS, Burns corn and is not out of pump.

Tune is everything! While logging the parameters of the components (pump, injectors, AFR) you can push the envelope or leave yourself a safety margin. I originally ran the LPE happily in the mid-600hp range, then decided to add a BAP for safety margin. Since then, I decided to push the fuel setup to the razor's edge. As long a actual AFR matches the commanded AFR, all is good. Logging AFR's and fuel pressure will demonstrate when the limit is reached, and each setup will achieve a slightly different result. What I said was using E85 and the ability to run with more timing (since able to run the timing happy E85 with the 100-104octane) will fall in line with similar HP limit as running gas - gonna be a wash.

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Originally Posted by Bo White

I was out of fuel at 682rwhp on 93 with my LPEs with no BAP.

Falls right in line with above spec tapping the LPE (<3% variance).

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Originally Posted by 0331Marine

I can't turn the bap up past 14.8V LPE advised against it. I can't change the pumps out for higher flowing pumps. I only have $400 in the LPE set up.

Great deal on that LPE. Yes, do follow LPE's limit from the BAP. That'll allow you to tap out the LPE w/BAP. I'm hitting 735 uncorrected (2% off), so that falls in line with above stated spec.

Moreair1 · 03-19-2018, 01:47 PM

Im just going throw this out there op, if you are going to only keep the car a year it's not worth upgrading the fuel system to a fore ect., i would take the car to a good tuner and see what they can do on e85, i hit 650 with the bap not working correctly, then throw in the fact im the one who tuned my car, and this was also my first time tuning a car so a good tuner could definelty do alot better than I did

0331Marine · 03-19-2018, 01:55 PM

I meant I can not can't lol I was going to call and see if these pumps can be swapped out seeing as the pump I have is a CTSV pump.

http://deatschwerks.rpmware.com/deat...i-2294113.aspx

0331Marine · 03-19-2018, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Moreair1

Im just going throw this out there op, if you are going to only keep the car a year it's not worth upgrading the fuel system to a fore ect., i would take the car to a good tuner and see what they can do on e85, i hit 650 with the bap not working correctly, then throw in the fact im the one who tuned my car, and this was also my first time tuning a car so a good tuner could definelty do alot better than I did

I definitely agree. I didn't plan on going with a huge fuel system. If something changes down the line I will look into upgrading it. I'm going to send Mike a message at Vengeance and see what he thinks he does the tuning on it.

0331Marine · 03-21-2018, 10:28 PM

Problem solved. I spoke with DW they advised that these pumps were drop-ins for the CTSV and will definitely support the power.

03-18-2018, 09:45 PM	#15
Moreair1 Drives: 2011 ss convertible Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,329 View My Garage	Yup thats why i included the non corrected number as well, but to be honest my data isnt solid for that info, i had issues with my bap, which i didnt figure out till later looking at my logs, some idiot tuner had the values set too high (yes it was me) so the bap wasnt really helping me much, injector was at 92 percent at 6550 rpms and fp was at 41without much bap assistants Dreksnot will have alot better insight into the information your looking for __________________ Cai intake and a few other mods😎 Last edited by Moreair1; 03-18-2018 at 10:11 PM.

03-18-2018, 10:08 PM	#16
dreksnot Served USN - Atomic Chimp Drives: 13 Camaro LSX434 TT M6, 21 ZLE A10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,606 View My Garage	ZL1 pump - 600hp w/BAP - 650hp LPE pump - 700hp w/BAP - 750hp (these are CTS-V pumps) If you’re wanting more, add an auxiliary pump (bandaid IMO) or go Squash/Fore dual - 1200hp, triple pump - 1800hp Plenty of injector size calculators findable with Google or just try manufacurer websites. Good luck. __________________ In excess of 1,000WHP LSX434 \| AGP 65/65 TT \| BTR Equalizer Intake \| Trickflow 245cc cathedral \| BTR custom cam \| Cortex EBC \| n2mb WOT \| ID-1700x \| Brisk GR12S \| RPM Lv 7 TR6060 \| AGP's Triple 525LPH Fore Fuel \| Monster LT1-S Triple \| 4.11 DSS Proform 9", CF driveshaft, 1400hp axles \| Hurst Line Lock \| MGW Retro Short Throw w/old skool Hurst T-handle \| ADM solid subframe mounts \| Prothane Motor Mounts \| Revshift Poly Trans insert \| Moreno camber/caster plates

03-19-2018, 12:10 AM	#19
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	I was out of fuel at 682rwhp on 93 with my LPEs with no BAP. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

03-19-2018, 11:35 AM	#23
0331Marine Drives: 2012 SS/RS MN6 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Covington Ga Posts: 783	I can't turn the bap up past 14.8V LPE advised against it. I can change the pumps out for higher flowing pumps. I only have $400 in the LPE set up. Last edited by 0331Marine; 03-19-2018 at 01:53 PM.

03-19-2018, 01:47 PM	#25
Moreair1 Drives: 2011 ss convertible Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,329 View My Garage	Im just going throw this out there op, if you are going to only keep the car a year it's not worth upgrading the fuel system to a fore ect., i would take the car to a good tuner and see what they can do on e85, i hit 650 with the bap not working correctly, then throw in the fact im the one who tuned my car, and this was also my first time tuning a car so a good tuner could definelty do alot better than I did __________________ Cai intake and a few other mods😎

03-18-2018, 11:36 PM	#17
DSMer1 Drives: 14 and 15 SS's Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota Posts: 387	Don't forget he is wanting to do it on E85.

03-19-2018, 01:55 PM	#26
0331Marine Drives: 2012 SS/RS MN6 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Covington Ga Posts: 783	I meant I can not can't lol I was going to call and see if these pumps can be swapped out seeing as the pump I have is a CTSV pump. http://deatschwerks.rpmware.com/deat...i-2294113.aspx

03-21-2018, 10:28 PM	#28
0331Marine Drives: 2012 SS/RS MN6 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Covington Ga Posts: 783	Problem solved. I spoke with DW they advised that these pumps were drop-ins for the CTSV and will definitely support the power.