V-6 Camaro VS RX-8

[Euro Kid]

[lil_chef]

The rotary engine does work.....and wins Mazda a lot of races.... they just need to update it alittle

[shadowed_Stranger]

Not very related, but I have been wanting to post this engine for a while.

http://jalopnik.com/5221798/vengeance-power-engine

FTA:

The engine was designed to alleviate one of the worst flaws of the Wankel rotary design, the rapid expansion of combustion chamber volume after ignition, reducing the amount of physical work that can be done with each stroke.
In all there are only nine moving parts but the model shown is capable of 550 HP and 2500 lb-ft of torque at 1200 RPM.

[Wesman]

Originally Posted by snizzle

Huh? It's got 3 main moving parts. If you take care of the "quirks," it'll last forever. You're encouraged to run a few redlines everytime out.

Any engine that is "designed" to burn oil and needs to be pulled out around 100,000 miles to be rebuilt is not a good engine in my book.

The reliability of the engine is very questionable. I've heard countless stories of owners pulling the engines and installing other engines, many times LS engines, in their place. Most have said they just couldn't put up with the maintenance and horrible reliability anymore, especially with the turbo versions.

[Blacksunshine]

I have an RX-8 stock and have done the 0-60 in mid 6's, with a 1/4 of 14.1 at 99.5. It's like driving an F-1 with 15,000+ rpm compared to NASCAR 9,000. Not fast off the line, but really quick in the twistys.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by Wesman

Any engine that is "designed" to burn oil and needs to be pulled out around 100,000 miles to be rebuilt is not a good engine in my book.

The reliability of the engine is very questionable. I've heard countless stories of owners pulling the engines and installing other engines, many times LS engines, in their place. Most have said they just couldn't put up with the maintenance and horrible reliability anymore, especially with the turbo versions.

Just because burning oil in the piston realm is a negative thing doesn't mean it is for a rotary. Piston engines burn oil as they wear. Rotaries do to lubricate the engine. Big deal, you need to add a quart or less every now and then.

But yes, the increased maintenance requirements make it more likely that people will create problems for themselves due to neglected ownership duties. We can agree on that much.

[GatorBlue371]

in my expirience with the RX-8 I found the car to be a great driving car, if you don't love aggressive driving you won't love the car. When I looked at the RX-8 It made me appriciate cars like the STi that much more. If I were too look for a liveable Japanese driving car to compete with the camaro V6 I'd look for an 06-07 STi

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by Blacksunshine

I have an RX-8 stock and have done the 0-60 in mid 6's, with a 1/4 of 14.1 at 99.5. It's like driving an F-1 with 15,000+ rpm compared to NASCAR 9,000. Not fast off the line, but really quick in the twistys.

14.1 @ 99 mph in a stock RX-8?

I find that hard to believe. I've raced quite a few RX-8s and they were pretty slow (definately not capable of running 14.1s).

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

14.1 @ 99 mph in a stock RX-8?

I find that hard to believe. I've raced quite a few RX-8s and they were pretty slow (definately not capable of running 14.1s).

driver error?

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by lil_chef

driver error?

Well Motortrend got 14.49 @ 95 mph in the RX-8, so I guess on a very good day with excellent driving someone could pull 14.1 @ 99 mph.

But my experience with RX-8's is that they are very weak. They start off pretty fast (0-40mph or so), but after that they just fall flat on their face.

I guess I'm just used to much faster cars.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

Well Motortrend got 14.49 @ 95 mph in the RX-8, so I guess on a very good day with excellent driving someone could pull 14.1 @ 99 mph.

But my experience with RX-8's is that they are very weak. They start off pretty fast (0-40mph or so), but after that they just fall flat on their face.

I guess I'm just used to much faster cars.

You couldn't be more wrong. RX8s make up for straight line speed with handling dynamics. From a dig and from stoplight to stoplight, the RX8 is not impressive but that's not what it's all about. You'd have to drop the clutch and risk tranny damage for a decent start.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by snizzle

You couldn't be more wrong. RX8s make up for straight line speed with handling dynamics. From a dig and from stoplight to stoplight, the RX8 is not impressive but that's not what it's all about. You'd have to drop the clutch and risk tranny damage for a decent start.

I'm taking about straight line speed (drag racing - see 1/4 mile times mentioned in the post)

My experience with them is they are fairly quick up to about 40mph, but after that they really slow down. Especially when racing from a roll, they have very slow acceleration when you mash the gas at higher speeds (like crusing 60mph on the highway and you mash the gas).

I know they handle very well in the twisties. But that's not what I'm talking about.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

I'm taking about straight line speed (drag racing - see 1/4 mile times mentioned in the post)

My experience with them is they are fairly quick up to about 40mph, but after that they really slow down. Especially when racing from a roll, they have very slow acceleration when you mash the gas at higher speeds (like crusing 60mph on the highway and you mash the gas).

I know they handle very well in the twisties. But that's not what I'm talking about.

As stated before, if you want a straightline monster, stick with a vehicle that has significant torque. People complain about their 0-40 more than anything else honestly.

Pony car guys always want to compare 1/4 times because that's where they excel.

[ss1129]

Originally Posted by snizzle

As stated before, if you want a straightline monster, stick with a vehicle that has significant torque. People complain about their 0-40 more than anything else honestly.

Pony car guys always want to compare 1/4 times because that's where they excel.

Except dollar for dollar the Camaro would beat the living snot out of a rx8. It creams it in the 1/4 and 0-60 and isnt far behind in the handling aspects for a car weighing close to 4000lbs. Of course Im talking about the ss though...who really races a 6 cylinder Camaro? Besides isnt a maxed out rx8 about 30k anyways?