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[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by gringo

2. Someone posting on a message forum they got 16hp from just a CAI is the "gospel" for you?

It was much more than a 'post.' I'll find it. It was "Creeper RS." And if I recall, he did post before and after results. Gospel? I sometimes question whether the Gospel is gospel. In God we Trust. All others bring data...

[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by gringo

2. Someone posting on a message forum they got 16hp from just a CAI is the "gospel" for you?

First, I would need to see the before and after dyno sheets. What type of dyno it was and the conditions it was tested in. And, if the dyno operator was fudging it a little to make the GM CAI owner feel good about his purchase. There are just too many variables that exist to believe that claim across the board.

Okay, so 400hp and 426hp is pretty much the same thing to you. Okey dokey. I think I'll add a CAI to my V6 and claim I have 350hp! If I did that, I'd be crucified by all the V8 owners and probably even some V6 owners on this site.

I mean, I understand some people need to feel good about their lower 400hp stock rating compared to the LS3, but come on now. 26hp is still 26hp and it looks a lot better on paper and in print compared to only 400hp. Just like how 350hp would look and sound a heck of a
lot better than just 323hp.

https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showt...385592&page=10

[Chris49066SS]

[Chester]

Originally Posted by qcman

Geez man I didn't mean that at all. I just meant most of the cars life has been without a CC & the car is likely still running fairly well unless you are saying it isn't? And some dilution of the fuel mixed with oil would lower the octane but as I said who could tell anyways.

If anything I could see it benefiting from an upper induction cleaning of the valves and injectors more so due to the higher mileage. My car is over 6 years old now & I suppose I could put a CC on it but I feel its a bit late in my case too although I'm only about 40k miles right now.

No Problem didn't take it personal. I see there is always many different opinions, should do, shouldn't , doesn't matter etc. Probably just run it and if it goes caw-boom, will look at a crated motor, being the condition the car is over all and deal on the price when I bought. Thanks to all who posted.

[CTMcCloskey]

As it was mentioned earlier it is only the cars with "Direct Injection" that are affected. GM is learning, slowly. Since we have the DI I am installing one this summer.
My daughter drives a 2011 Camaro RS, V6 with 6 speed.

It is a great and fun car to drive but expensive when it breaks.

[Chester]

Little side note. This pass winter my 2013 Equinox V6 with 50000 miles, oil/filter Mobil 1 change every 3000 miles, out of the blue wouldn't start in garage. Towed to Gm Dealership, valves were so carbon up that they stuck open , carbon scoured a couple cylinder, looking like new motor, nope traded it, at least Gm gave me a $2500 voucher toward a trade.

[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by Chris49066SS

Whatever. A mod’s a mod’s a mod. We all do it for one reason or another. Is not the carbon valve build-up some sort of a HP robber at the end of the day? Otherwise, just do a few Hail Mary’s over the intake every so often and hope for the best.

[qcman]

Originally Posted by Chester

Little side note. This pass winter my 2013 Equinox V6 with 50000 miles, oil/filter Mobil 1 change every 3000 miles, out of the blue wouldn't start in garage. Towed to Gm Dealership, valves were so carbon up that they stuck open , carbon scoured a couple cylinder, looking like new motor, nope traded it, at least Gm gave me a $2500 voucher toward a trade.

Its Direct Injected hence why many of us said to put a CC on if it has that....

[gringo]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showt...385592&page=10

I appreciate the follow up info. However, the dyno graph pics still tell me nothing. What was the "correction" factor? 10%? 15%?

We know it was 75* ambient, but what fuel quality, elevation, barometric pressure, etc, etc. Like I stated before, how can I be sure the dyno operator didn't fudge the numbers up to make it look better?

Only true way to know would be testing it at the track in similar conditions before and after several times to see the potential gains. Also, according to his sig, he has or had JBA high flow cats on it.

High flow cats would affect the total numbers to read better with the CAI than say a mostly stock L99 or LS3 that did not have HFC's. The fact that everyone was suprised by the dyno reading numbers has me wondering too.

There are just too many variables to hold that post claim of 26hp (edit 16hp not 26!) and 10lb ft torque from just a CAI as "gospel" in my opinion.

(edit 16HP not 26HP!)
(edit 16HP not 26HP)

[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by gringo

I appreciate the follow up info. However, the dyno graph pics still tell me nothing. What was the "correction" factor? 10%? 15%?

We know it was 75* ambient, but what fuel quality, elevation, barometric pressure, etc, etc. Like I stated before, how can I be sure the dyno operator didn't fudge the numbers up to make it look better?

Only true way to know would be testing it at the track in similar conditions before and after several times to see the potential gains. Also, according to his sig, he has or had JBA high flow cats on it.

High flow cats would affect the total numbers to read better with the CAI than say a mostly stock L99 or LS3 that did not have HFC's. The fact that everyone was suprised by the dyno reading numbers has me wondering too.

There are just too many variables to hold that post claim of 26hp and 10lb ft torque from just a CAI as "gospel" in my opinion.

Jeez, you left out the chalkboard full of Standard Deviation calculations. I took the guy at his word with the supplied data. Perhaps now that Robert Mueller is unemployed, he can do a two year investigation into these bogus claims for you. $25M should cover it! And the claim was 16HP.

[lionssfan]

when i pulled my intake off to install my tvs2300. oil dumped all over the ground that was laying in the intake. the intake valves covered in oil and carbon deposits. car had about 15000 miles. i would get one.

[gringo]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

Jeez, you left out the chalkboard full of Standard Deviation calculations. I took the guy at his word with the supplied data. Perhaps now that Robert Mueller is unemployed, he can do a two year investigation into these bogus claims for you. $25M should cover it! And the claim was 16HP.

Yeah, the claim was 16HP not 26HP! Typo!

One members post about how it gave them 16HP and you use that as a baseline of what everyone would get.

Don't shoot the messenger. I'm just trying to say that maybe it might not be what every V8 owner would get. It just seems a little high to me.

[Aqua Blue RS/SS]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

Jeez, you left out the chalkboard full of Standard Deviation calculations. I took the guy at his word with the supplied data. Perhaps now that Robert Mueller is unemployed, he can do a two year investigation into these bogus claims for you. $25M should cover it! And the claim was 16HP.

[silversleeper]

Here is the Russian Dossier to get it started:

Гринго заплатил проститутке, чтобы ссать на его CAI, чтобы сделать дополнительные 26hp

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