04-22-2023, 11:13 AM | #589 | |
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When we are talking EVs, the CAFE curves don’t matter, so Trucks have no built in advantage over Cars. Real world, Cars will get better range than Trucks, so I project that Cars will make a comeback.
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04-22-2023, 11:20 AM | #590 | |
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04-22-2023, 11:21 AM | #591 | |
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They could also have pushed for import duties instead, for example, or any other measure that favors them vs imports. All I'm saying is it's strange how easily they surrendered, if that's how it went down.
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04-22-2023, 11:26 AM | #592 | |
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04-22-2023, 12:53 PM | #593 | |
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Also, GM and others would import way less if they couldn't get away with slave, pardon, cheap labor in other countries. The Asians tend to favor the long game and now, a few decades in, their strategy has begun paying dividends. But, let's not turn this into a policital discussion, I think I understand your points
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Thinking about picking up a 24, but a little disappointed there probably won't be anything particularly special for the last year. We will see what the panther includes but I don't have my hopes up. GM only seems to care about the vette. Challenger and Mustang are constantly upping their game. Camaro released the ZL1 1LE and sat on it for 5 years. Love it if they would prove me wrong.
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Didnt they pay a bunch of money for credits? maybe I am off base, so they are saying buy my 100K challenger instead of GM saying buy my 100K hummer that we will make a shitton more money on
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04-22-2023, 07:28 PM | #598 |
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They are already under water with CAFE and either paying fines or buying credits from other automakers (Tesla?). The Demon 170 will be in such low volume that it won’t impact CAFE too much more. Hats off to them for achieving what they have with the Demon 170 and making it emissions compliant. Emissions compliance is different than CAFE compliance because if you are not emissions compliant, it’s not about paying a fine or buying credits. You simply cannot sell the vehicle. Period. So kudos to Micky Bly and the propulsion systems team for making that happen.
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Anyway... we gotta support our local industries, man. Instead of buying foreign cars, let's try to buy American-made cars and support our own economy and writing books about our cars. I say every little bit counts, would you agree?)) I mean it's just about spreading the word and raising awareness. That's all. Last edited by JerryABrownie; 04-26-2023 at 11:14 PM. |
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