06-07-2012, 11:03 AM | #15 |
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Thanks for posting the details of why this one is different than other spacers out there.
For those that want to knock it, that's fine. I know where you are coming from on your way of thinking. Like other companies, Vararam invests R&D time into products that don't pan out and kills those long before they ever reach the market. Ask yourself why they would bother releasing something that showed no gains while still backing it up with a performance warranty? Here are the pictures I promised of it installed with the VR intake. I have a different colored connecting hose (same material though as the one that ships with the intake) that is a bit longer than the original hose. You can see that it is notched around the MAF block but other than that it's the same as what came in the box.
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Someone needs to verify this with a obd scanner. I believe you can log this function. |
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Sorry - but without validation evidence it appears to be just more "sales fluff".....:emoticon7:
With the HP/TQ numbers you mention, why not demonstrate your integrity & ethical proof instead of words like "stun", "feel", "go", etc.
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06-07-2012, 11:09 AM | #19 |
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Does this let the TB open 10% more?
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06-07-2012, 11:16 AM | #21 |
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We will be posting the Dyno Graphs from England Green shortly - that will show the real numbers!
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You know independent testing is what tells the real story.
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06-07-2012, 11:30 AM | #24 |
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No. But the Super Wedge corrects the 8% incline that the TB has. So when you are WOT the throttle body blade is perfectly flat.
And to the earlier post about logging data to validate. The 88% is proven, you can ask Tracy at RX Performance |
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Why would GM specifically have the TB at an 8 degree angle if it causes a 10hp loss???
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06-07-2012, 11:46 AM | #26 |
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It may be perfectly flat but that's because the "wedge" readjusts the TB angle. How would that alow the TB blade to make up 10% on the reading? Isn't the TB position sensor built into the TB motor? Common sense says this will allow the air to go straight back instead of slightly angling upwards. I don't see how this is an advantage on a intake that redirects the flow around the intake anyway.
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Claims and validation are all we ever do, more so than any other company in the after market that we have ever seen in 10yrs . We put it in writing and back it up, thats why VRs are on the fastest cars in the country.
The TB is not what is at an angle, its the intake manifolds neck on an LS-3,LS-2 and LS-7. This is done to clear different water pump combinations as the pump is different on different cars. Thats why there are different spacers for different applications. The fast manifold has 1 inch added to its neck over the OEM LS-3 to do the same thing, add clearance for the blade to breath on the back side. That is where a lot of its flow comes from. Upon its official rollout you will be able to see a cutaway of the intake manifold with the TB blade open with and without the wedge in place. There will also be EFI Live Logs as well as other testing data. The results and testing are there for the world to see. Is your car quicker at 92% VE or 100%VE? does your ported throttle body flow better at 92% or 100% VE? |
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Are these on the market yet, I don't see them on the VR website? I'm not completely sold on the idea of a throttle body spacer that actually does something, but I see the theory behind this one... I wouldn't mind testing one on the dyno when I go to do more intake testing here in the near future. |
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