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As for consultants having a dog in the fight, you and I have clearly different understandings of what a consultant is or does. My role is to assist my clients in understanding what a situation is, what factors they may not see are present or not present, and in some cases what the expected outcome of strategic moves may present as a result. I am paid to NOT advocate any particular position. I have on more than one occasion presented clients with reports that don’t align with what they had hoped the results would be. I often tell my team that the measure of a good consultant is the ability to tell someone that their baby is ugly without getting punched in the face. It became clear to me that my own personal wants and preferences often run counter to market realities and that I can’t make decisions based only on what I like. I like small, high hp 2-door cars, preferably hatchbacks, that go fast and handle well. In the US market, 2-door cars are all but dead. Hatchbacks ARE dead, and in most cases, go fast or handle well…pick one. If I advocated only the things that I prefer, I’d be a failure. Instead I advocate nothing and analyze everything.
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11-02-2023, 09:43 AM | #1206 | |
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You can stammer and cry and jump up and down, but the bottom line is exactly what I told you about my stepdad - when traveling long distance in a car, people will accept NOTHING but to be able to travel for 300-500 miles at a time, stop to refuel when at very NEAR 0%, and fuel up to ABSOLUTE 100% range, in less than 10 minutes time, any time, day or night, any where, without the hassle of trying to "plan" ahead. Unless you count planning ahead as the sign on the side of the highway that states "gas - 2 miles ahead" End of discussion on that.
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11-02-2023, 10:21 AM | #1207 |
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I think the "advantage" may just be for those in that upper percentile.
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There are lots of reasons. We do surveys to suss those out. Even taking that into account we see an appreciable number of people making a decision different than yours.
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11-02-2023, 10:43 AM | #1210 | |
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So let me sum this up... "IF" you are in the market for a new vehicle and "IF" your budget is enough to warrant a $40k vehicle... (I'd be willing to bet that isn't the case for most Americans) It "might" behoove you to compare an EV to an ICE comparable vehicle "IF" you have the ability to charge at home and if and if and if...?? That basically sum it up? So then the 60% (which Wiz) stated in his post.. That isn't a huge advantage for all of them. It could only be an advantage for a few in a very specific scenario. Kia EV6 - $43,925 Mustang Mach E - $42,995 So even in your scenario It would be a saving over 5-8 years? What is that EV worth in 5-8 years? From my understanding and from posts I've seen from people who traded in EVs... They had to give them away because nobody wants a used EV. (No current market for them) There are so many things you need to account for that you guys just never mention. Fuel savings is a small part of the entire EV puzzle. Last edited by jamala00; 11-02-2023 at 11:01 AM. |
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11-02-2023, 11:05 AM | #1211 | |
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11-02-2023, 11:08 AM | #1212 | |
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We will find out how thin their EV consideration level is. I think you even said something close about the EV Equinox. But, there will be some for them. A more civil turn for the thread would be which EV babies aren't ugly and for whom. The affluent buyer was just mentioned today. |
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11-02-2023, 11:20 AM | #1213 | |
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As far as brand loyalty goes, we (S&P Global Mobility) have studies that show that the pandemic, the chip shortage, and supply chain crisis have combined to hammer the hell out of brand loyalty. Even amongst pickup trucks which have the highest loyalty of any segment. And then there’s Tesla. Tesla has moved from non-existent to having two vehicles in the top 10 vehicles sold in the US / #1 selling vehicle in the world. And also having the highest loyalty of any brand BY…A…LOT. Over 90% loyalty compared to high 60s for the 2nd and 3rd ranked brands.
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11-02-2023, 11:38 AM | #1215 | |
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Why would anyone by a 4-cylinder or 6 cylinder Camaro if an 8 cylinder is available? Engine size is to ICE as battery size / motor count is to EVs. Bolt EUV: Range is 247, Price starts at $27,800 Tesla Model 3: Range is 272, Price starts at $38,990. Can be leased for $329 for 36 months Tesla Model 3 LR AWD: Range is 333, Prices start at $45,990 (over $40k but still below average new vehicle transaction price in 2023)
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When someone buys and EV, you are going to try to tell me their main reason to purchase said EV is because of the look?? Come-On, even you don't believe that. I believe I read somewhere that range anxiety for EV buyers is 300 miles? (maybe it was 400) but 300 seems to ring a bell. You didn't list one vehicle there under $40k that gets greater then 300 miles on a charge. (Lets not get into those are not realistic ranges either in reality.) Quote:
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As for consumer expectations of range, there’s this chart. It measures the acceptable range for an EV, based on survey asking people how much range an EV would have to have before they’d consider buying it. The greyed area is what would be considered the sweet spot for EV manufacturers. FWIW IHS Markit was the name of my part of the company before it was acquired by S&P Global in 2022.
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Just had a fairly lengthy conversation with the driver of this vehicle. They explained how they regularly run out of charge before they get done with their routes, charging is already down to 60% and have way more than 2/3 of the route, yet to do. The all screen controls are very distracting vs just touching a knob, the braking system feels quite eratic and the overall feel of driving the vehicle feels like a “go cart”.
The person told me from the get go that they don’t have anything against the EV, it just is not what the drivers want to use to try and get their routes done. No spin here, just real world info.
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