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IPS Brandon · 12-11-2009, 10:07 AM

I am not certain how many members here have interest in this type of setup but we found a nice quick and efficient solution for your Camaro if you would like to have the best intake manifold throttle body setups available.

This is only for clients whom already have a FAST 102mm LSXr intake manifold.

The Nick Williams throttle body is a new drive by wire unit that has a 102mm opening, that is designed to mate with the new FAST intake. This is a nice unit which can be purchased with an adapter harness to be just a bolt on affair.

The reason many people have not used this on the new Camaro yet, is due to the factory serpentine tensioner on the Camaro is very deep, and will hit the servo motor on the Nick Williams, and not allow you to bolt the throttle body to bolt on the intake manifold. So we found a nice simple effective solution

You need to use a Katech manual tensioner which alone is worth it, an then a shorter belt. The katech tensioner allows the clearance needed for the servo motors to bolt on squarely and, boom, 102mm TB is good to go! You will also need a shorter serpentine belt which we have measured and can supply.

The benefits of the manual tensioner are also great especially on blower cars and high output cars that rely on the weak factory sprung tensioner which love to wear out fast under high tensions.

So there you have it, if you want a 102mm throttle body, you just need to add a tensioner and a new belt and wah la.

Regards

Pope Designs · 12-11-2009, 10:20 AM

Seems like a lot of work for no gain. By far the FAST intake is the biggest waste of money for the LS3 to date. I bolted one on a heads, headers, cam LS3 for a whopping gain of 0HP!

Bryan

IPS Brandon · 12-11-2009, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pope Designs

Seems like a lot of work for no gain. By far the FAST intake is the biggest waste of money for the LS3 to date. I bolted one on a heads, headers, cam LS3 for a whopping gain of 0HP!

Bryan

Not to sounds rude, but I believe there is a lot of data to show there is a great benefit to the FAST, obviously there are a lot of different configurations, but when packaged properly we see very good gains. Engine dynos and chassis dyno results have proven this is a great modification, for most applications, maybe not your exact configuration.

That car gained 15 wheel and 20 ft.lb.

Pope Designs · 12-11-2009, 12:25 PM

How much more properly packaged can you get than with the mods I have done? Nothing else left to do but a supercharger.

Bryan

94guy · 12-11-2009, 12:30 PM

ips brandon, please show us the secret hp gains. i have yet to see any power gains on any board.

camaro1 · 12-11-2009, 03:51 PM

price for the NW 102mm throttle body?

nl12 · 12-12-2009, 08:35 AM

102 would be good for a supercharger setup like the whipple, I see it in my future

RBD · 12-13-2009, 09:55 AM

yup......1000 bucs for the FAST LXR and another 900-1100 for the
102mm throttle body and tensioner then another 550 for the re-tune for a whopping 15hp......ya can't usually even "feel" less than 20hp

Mzodarg · 12-13-2009, 10:20 AM

From my two wheel experience, I upgraded a 50MM Tb to a 54MM. On paper there is a 10-15 HP increase at WOT. Do I recommend this Mod? IMO- Not worth the coin, looks like it holds true for the 4 wheel performance also. That's alot of coin for No seat of the pants difference.

Mike

Halltech · 12-14-2009, 12:09 AM

Different motor, but the LS7 intake manifold is superior to the LS3 to begin with.

Halltech and Katech did testing on our E85 429 LS7 and got a dramatic increase in HP and TQ.

Since this dyno, Tuner Jim Hall has dialed in the tuning, added a 102 WP throttle body . The Halltech Super BeE85 Z06 dynos at 660 HP with a car weight of 3030 lbs.

Definitely worth the price of admission on the LS7. We have not seen numbers on the LS3, but the demand for airflow would make this a must for all cam, headers and Halltech CAI Camaros. Very few mods make this much difference.

69lt1bird · 12-14-2009, 06:28 AM

Like you said, on the LS7, not the LS3 like the OP is claiming.

The LS7 has shown great gains since day one.

I think only one shop claims big gains and they got railed for their results since they are the only ones, everyone else has been pretty quiet since the first few tests.

Lil_v6 · 09-06-2016, 08:22 PM

Can a 2010 camaro v8 throttle body fit on a 2010 v6 camaro

zz430camaro · 09-06-2016, 09:34 PM

waste of money, once you start spending that much for small power gains just get a supercharger.

My 5th · 09-07-2016, 01:40 PM

I have an LS3 427 (4.0125" X 4.0") with the Fast 102 and a Vmax ported factory throttle body. I already have the Katech tensioner. I hear the NW 102 is very hard to tune. How much more hp would I get switching to the 102? Currently at 530 rwhp 490+ tq. Changing to that setup would cost me around $1,500, $1K for the throttle body and $500--or more--for the tune. Would the larger throttle body decrease hp and tq at lower rpm's?

12-11-2009, 10:07 AM	#1
IPS Brandon Drives: 2010 Camaro SS black Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 907	Want to run a 102MM throttle body on your Camaro? I am not certain how many members here have interest in this type of setup but we found a nice quick and efficient solution for your Camaro if you would like to have the best intake manifold throttle body setups available. This is only for clients whom already have a FAST 102mm LSXr intake manifold. The Nick Williams throttle body is a new drive by wire unit that has a 102mm opening, that is designed to mate with the new FAST intake. This is a nice unit which can be purchased with an adapter harness to be just a bolt on affair. The reason many people have not used this on the new Camaro yet, is due to the factory serpentine tensioner on the Camaro is very deep, and will hit the servo motor on the Nick Williams, and not allow you to bolt the throttle body to bolt on the intake manifold. So we found a nice simple effective solution You need to use a Katech manual tensioner which alone is worth it, an then a shorter belt. The katech tensioner allows the clearance needed for the servo motors to bolt on squarely and, boom, 102mm TB is good to go! You will also need a shorter serpentine belt which we have measured and can supply. The benefits of the manual tensioner are also great especially on blower cars and high output cars that rely on the weak factory sprung tensioner which love to wear out fast under high tensions. So there you have it, if you want a 102mm throttle body, you just need to add a tensioner and a new belt and wah la. Regards

12-11-2009, 03:51 PM	#6
camaro1 Drives: 550+RWHP 2010 camaro Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: wisconsin Posts: 1,588	price for the NW 102mm throttle body? __________________ 415ci stroker, TVS 2300 Magnacharger, cnc heads, cam, yank ss3200 converter, Kooks long tubes, Bwoody true cold air kit, ZL1 Pump, magnaflow 3" cat-back, lowering springs,BMR control arms and tie rod bars, 3.73 gears, diff mounts, RX can, ADM fuel controller

12-13-2009, 10:20 AM	#9
Mzodarg Remembering those in Blue Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Blk w/IOM Int Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 479	From my two wheel experience, I upgraded a 50MM Tb to a 54MM. On paper there is a 10-15 HP increase at WOT. Do I recommend this Mod? IMO- Not worth the coin, looks like it holds true for the 4 wheel performance also. That's alot of coin for No seat of the pants difference. Mike __________________ SOLD. www.harleytechtalk.org

12-14-2009, 06:28 AM	#11
69lt1bird Drives: 1969 Pontiac Firebid Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Lapeer, MI Posts: 89	Like you said, on the LS7, not the LS3 like the OP is claiming. The LS7 has shown great gains since day one. I think only one shop claims big gains and they got railed for their results since they are the only ones, everyone else has been pretty quiet since the first few tests. __________________ Free HP Tuners Beginners Tuning Guide Michigan Snowmobiler 1969 Firebird: 7.55@97.93 1/8 1.70 60 ft.[/COLOR] EPS cam 234/246 .602.606 114+3, 6.0 LQ4, L92 heads milled 10.5:1, Ported L76 intake, ported 90mm Holley TB, 100mm MAF, FIC Custom injectors, Hooker LT, PYPES dual exhaust with an X pipe, 4L65e with all of the good parts inside, FTI 4000 RPM Stall, 12 bolt with 3.73 gears. HP Tuner tuned by me

09-07-2016, 01:40 PM	#14
My 5th Drives: 2010 2SS/RS M6 Black on Black Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Global Citizen Posts: 1,243	I have an LS3 427 (4.0125" X 4.0") with the Fast 102 and a Vmax ported factory throttle body. I already have the Katech tensioner. I hear the NW 102 is very hard to tune. How much more hp would I get switching to the 102? Currently at 530 rwhp 490+ tq. Changing to that setup would cost me around $1,500, $1K for the throttle body and $500--or more--for the tune. Would the larger throttle body decrease hp and tq at lower rpm's? __________________ Meh

12-11-2009, 10:20 AM	#2
Pope Designs Drives: 2013 ZL1 Rally Yellow Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knightdale, NC Posts: 347	Seems like a lot of work for no gain. By far the FAST intake is the biggest waste of money for the LS3 to date. I bolted one on a heads, headers, cam LS3 for a whopping gain of 0HP! Bryan

12-11-2009, 12:25 PM	#4
Pope Designs Drives: 2013 ZL1 Rally Yellow Join Date: May 2009 Location: Knightdale, NC Posts: 347	How much more properly packaged can you get than with the mods I have done? Nothing else left to do but a supercharger. Bryan

12-11-2009, 12:30 PM	#5
94guy Drives: 99 Camaro; 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,966	ips brandon, please show us the secret hp gains. i have yet to see any power gains on any board.

12-12-2009, 08:35 AM	#7
nl12 Drives: Unicycle Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Monterey California ---> Virginia Posts: 226	102 would be good for a supercharger setup like the whipple, I see it in my future

12-13-2009, 09:55 AM	#8
RBD Drives: 2013 SS/RS Convertible Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Mendota, IL Posts: 715 View My Garage	yup......1000 bucs for the FAST LXR and another 900-1100 for the 102mm throttle body and tensioner then another 550 for the re-tune for a whopping 15hp......ya can't usually even "feel" less than 20hp

12-14-2009, 12:09 AM	#10
Halltech Drives: 2010 Halltech Camaro SS, 2008 C6Z06 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 363	Different motor, but the LS7 intake manifold is superior to the LS3 to begin with. Halltech and Katech did testing on our E85 429 LS7 and got a dramatic increase in HP and TQ. Since this dyno, Tuner Jim Hall has dialed in the tuning, added a 102 WP throttle body . The Halltech Super BeE85 Z06 dynos at 660 HP with a car weight of 3030 lbs. Definitely worth the price of admission on the LS7. We have not seen numbers on the LS3, but the demand for airflow would make this a must for all cam, headers and Halltech CAI Camaros. Very few mods make this much difference.

09-06-2016, 08:22 PM	#12
Lil_v6 Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Maryland Posts: 10	Can a 2010 camaro v8 throttle body fit on a 2010 v6 camaro

09-06-2016, 09:34 PM	#13
zz430camaro Drives: 2015 1LE Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 1,485	waste of money, once you start spending that much for small power gains just get a supercharger.

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