Help me understand the 1LE hype.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED

Fixed. Really nothing to enlighten you on, I'm not here to provide any spiritual healing. Before the Z/28 was released, you mentioned the 1LE being the poor mans ZL1. Now it's a poor mans Z/28? Any superior car after the 1LE you'll just fill in the blank and say its the poor mans "......". So that brings me to, you are misguided.



I've already owned a 1LE so thank you for the useless enough as if I didn't know the capabilities of the 1LE are. Unsure at what your point was to even begin with.

You're not here to provide much of anything it seems. Are you on some kind of medication? Your comments are just.... bizarre and delusional.

[newb]

FINALLYSATISFIED historically downs anything not the ZL1. Keep in mind he is the same person who complained that the ZL1 should have been made harder to clone...

The 1LE represents an affordable car with capability that far exceeds it price tag. It is not intended for everyone. It could easily be considered what the SS should have been from the start. GM even admits that not everyone needs or even wants a 1LE. It is not the end all be all of the Camaro either. That is why Chevy gives us so many options. There is something for almost everyone.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by newb

FINALLYSATISFIED historically downs anything not the ZL1. Keep in mind he is the same person who complained that the ZL1 should have been made harder to clone...

The 1LE represents an affordable car with capability that far exceeds it price tag. It is not intended for everyone. It could easily be considered what the SS should have been from the start. GM even admits that not everyone needs or even wants a 1LE. It is not the end all be all of the Camaro either. That is why Chevy gives us so many options. There is something for almost everyone.

Ah and he drives one... of course. His car = his self-esteem. Gotcha. Thanks for the... 'enlightenment'.

[Southern Comfort]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED
Fixed. Really nothing to enlighten you on, I'm not here to provide any spiritual healing. Before the Z/28 was released, you mentioned the 1LE being the poor mans ZL1. Now it's a poor mans Z/28? Any superior car after the 1LE you'll just fill in the blank and say its the poor mans "......". So that brings me to, you are misguided.

I've already owned a 1LE so thank you for the useless enough as if I didn't know the capabilities of the 1LE are. Unsure at what your point was to even begin with.

Originally Posted by Doc

You're not here to provide much of anything it seems. Are you on some kind of medication? Your comments are just.... bizarre and delusional.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED

Fixed. Really nothing to enlighten you on, I'm not here to provide any spiritual healing. Before the Z/28 was released, you mentioned the 1LE being the poor mans ZL1. Now it's a poor mans Z/28? Any superior car after the 1LE you'll just fill in the blank and say its the poor mans "......". So that brings me to, you are misguided.



I've already owned a 1LE so thank you for the useless enough as if I didn't know the capabilities of the 1LE are. Unsure at what your point was to even begin with.

Clearly you didn't fully grasp what I said. The 1LE deserves much more respect than just a poor mans, anything. The 1LE is in a class of its own.

Originally Posted by Doc

You're not here to provide much of anything it seems. Are you on some kind of medication? Your comments are just.... bizarre and delusional.

Really? Lol. Not my fault you can't comprehend what I'm saying. In any case I'll repeat myself. The 1LE isn't a poor mans anything.

Originally Posted by newb

FINALLYSATISFIED historically downs anything not the ZL1. Keep in mind he is the same person who complained that the ZL1 should have been made harder to clone...

The 1LE represents an affordable car with capability that far exceeds it price tag. It is not intended for everyone. It could easily be considered what the SS should have been from the start. GM even admits that not everyone needs or even wants a 1LE. It is not the end all be all of the Camaro either. That is why Chevy gives us so many options. There is something for almost everyone.

Me thinking the ZL1 should have been harder to clone has nothing to do with this topic. Just like now I hope the Z/28 is harder to clone and yet ill never own one. So what the hell are you talking about? Forget the fact I've owned a 1LE, right? I'm fully aware of what the 1LE is meant to be and what it means to the brand. Go to the 1LE forum, I've praised it from the beginning. But thanks anyway for stating the obvious.

Originally Posted by Doc

Ah and he drives one... of course. His car = his self-esteem. Gotcha. Thanks for the... 'enlightenment'.

I owned a '10 2SS as well which is what you own. I guess we have the same self-esteem issues that you speak of, lol. Me owning a ZL1 is an easy target for you to say "well he owns a ZL1 so he thinks he's all that, blah blah". Your wrong, lol. Come with something original. Oh wait you can't. Smh.

[tramtwo]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED

I owned a '10 2SS as well which is what you own. I guess we have the same self-esteem issues that you speak of, lol. Me owning a ZL1 is an easy target for you to say "well he owns a ZL1 so he thinks he's all that, blah blah". Your wrong, lol. Come with something original. Oh wait you can't. Smh.

What you do not grasp is that Doc is one of our most knowledgeable AND respected members here and has contributed far more than just his opinions.

[Doc]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED

Clearly you didn't fully grasp what I said. The 1LE deserves much more respect than just a poor mans, anything. The 1LE is in a class of its own.

Well since getting your hands on a Z/28 is likely to be almost twice the cost of a 1LE which puts it out of the range of most Camaro customers, then calling it a 'poor man's Z/28' actually elevates the 1LE. Not something you understood apparently.

Really? Lol. Not my fault you can't comprehend what I'm saying. In any case I'll repeat myself. The 1LE isn't a poor mans anything.

The fact that you're repeating yourself doesn't make it any more salient. Either you simply don't get it; or you can just disagree with the original premise, but pretending you're comments are so lofty that people can't comprehend you, nor are you going to descend from your lofty height to "spiritually heal" those who "can't comprehend" what you're saying as though it's so advanced only you can understand it, well that just makes you come across as delusional.

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I owned a '10 2SS as well which is what you own. I guess we have the same self-esteem issues that you speak of, lol. Me owning a ZL1 is an easy target for you to say "well he owns a ZL1 so he thinks he's all that, blah blah". Your wrong, lol. Come with something original. Oh wait you can't. Smh.

I do not own a 2SS; what I own is clearly in my sig. There is no "we"; you're by yourself. I don't really care what you drive and since your opinions offer nothing of any real conversational interest...I'll leave you to your meds, beer, weed...whatever the substance is you live in. Have a nice day.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by tramtwo

What you do not grasp is that Doc is one of our most knowledgeable AND respected members here and has contributed far more than just his opinions.

Also, I've never seen him put down any other Camaro in comparing them.

...I agree the 1LE (before the appearance of the Z/28) was a poor man's ZL1. Matter of fact it still is to both the ZL1 and Z/28. It's how products like these are sold. You want the top model, but can't afford it? A company will build a less expensive model that compliments it to gather a customer base.

[AGM 1LE]

I ordered my 2014 1LE because I want something that can do track days, be good at the strip and nice to drive in which it does well. The package adds a bunch of good performance at a good deal, and it looks sweet too.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Doc

I do not own a 2SS; what I own is clearly in my sig. There is no "we"; you're by yourself. I don't really care what you drive and since your opinions offer nothing of any real conversational interest...I'll leave you to your meds, beer, weed...whatever the substance is you live in. Have a nice day.

I believe his name says it all. He was satisfied (he thought) till the Z/28 appeared. Do not be fooled the ZL1 is a great Camaro!

[SGDM]

Originally Posted by aggieguy13

its like saying hey, here's 3 tacos, that'll be $6. or ill give you 4 Tacos for $6.50.

or. ill sell you my Pump remington shot gun for $250. or you can buy my Benelli for$300

:

[Cooley]

Enough said.

[Southern Comfort]

Originally Posted by AGM 1LE

I ordered my 2014 1LE because I want something that can do track days, be good at the strip and nice to drive in which it does well. The package adds a bunch of good performance at a good deal, and it looks sweet too.

Congrats!
And I love your avatar , but you may want to revise it somehow. We try to keep it family oriented.

[S3XPanther]

Originally Posted by Dropspeed

They are not ZL1 Type wheels, they are the exact same wheels and sizes....The 1LE tires are the ZL1 fronts on all four corners (285s)

Why the hype for me?...After driving a 2010 supercharged Camaro SS on full Eibach suspension/sways, exhaust ect (Firebreather / not mine, I was asked to drive it) from NY to Vegas (Bullrun 2010) I said to myself I would never buy a Camaro.....Drove a 2012 SS in Arizona while on vacation...Again said I would never buy a Camaro. Test drove a 1LE after reading all of the reviews, I ordered one.

Why? I am a road racer/instructor for about 15 plus years. The stock SS suspension is subpar for the track with too much oversteer and the car feels sluggish and unresponsive. (on the track) The revised 1LE gearing (not much better overall ratios for straight line, but a better combination) make the car feel more spirited. The lighter ZL1 wheels (5lbs per corner) have a huge effect as the unsprung weight is reduced greatly. The steering effort with the EPS is great, the trans is solid. The changes to the steering wheel, shift knob and the rimless rear view mirror (all 2013) just make the car "feel" right and actually more spacious with the less obstructed view. The suspension is firm buts rides nice on the street and is more than adequate on a track (search my other posts). Add to the above that all 2013 LS3 are making more power to the wheels than the 2010 - 2013 cars (Mine made 396whp stock on a MD dyno) and it is a no-brainer at $3500

The reason I grabbed a 1LE over a Boss 302 was the cost and the numbers it will run on a road course. If it were not for a 1LE package I would be driving a Mustang.......

Now, I can't speak on changing from an SS to a 1LE as that is up to each individual owner.

Matt

I was drooling over that Firebreather when it was parked outside that hotel in Chelsea the night prior to the start. A truly gorgeous car. I was at the pier the next morning for the actual start. Stopping NYC traffic for the start was something else.