Edmunds: 2010 Shelby GT500 Crushes 2010 Camaro SS

[Cessna510]

There's no winning.. both are GREAT cars! all i'm saying is that i'm getting a 1ss and then getting the street stalker kit, it will give the gt500 a run for a lot less cash and it will be na.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by Cessna510

There's no winning.. both are GREAT cars! all i'm saying is that i'm getting a 1ss and then getting the street stalker kit, it will give the gt500 a run for a lot less cash and it will be na.

I could agree to that..depending on what you can get a SS for. Those lucky enough to get MSRP it will be great. Though in my area, I have not talked to anyone, or any dealer who is offering it.

Lowest I have seen so far was 43k. Without deliv/taxes/ect

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Where ? A 07~09 GT500 makes that to wheels stock.....

The GT500 makes 447hp to the wheels stock. I proved that.




Now you add 40 hp for the 2010 model year, and your looking at 487hp to the wheels for the 2010 GT500.




Compare that to a lighter, cheaper Camaro with 500+whp, and it will be a dusting.




Follow?

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by Zeus

The GT500 makes 447hp to the wheels stock. I proved that.
Now you add 40 hp for the 2010 model year, and your looking at 487hp to the wheels for the 2010 GT500.
Compare that to a lighter, cheaper Camaro with 500+whp, and it will be a dusting.
Follow?

Quite boring. Forge the internals, then add a supercharger that can handle up to 25lbs of boost, and give us a call.....

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

Quite boring. Forge the internals, then add a supercharger that can handle up to 25lbs of boost, and give us a call.....

Slower is slower.



You should call us once you get IRS

[Bocephus]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Slower is slower.



You should call us once you get a 6-speed and IRS

The GT500s have had a 6 speed since they come back out in 2007.

[m0ore4ustin391]

Originally Posted by Fireball

Source: http://www.edmunds.com/ford/shelbygt...testdrive.html

2010 Shelby GT500 vs 2010 Camaro SS

0-60: 4.3 vs 5.0 (4.0 vs 4.7 with 1' rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.4 vs 13.0

Now now, be sure to post all of the necessary information if your going to post something this. Here allow me to fill in the missing information so you don't look like a complete moron...

GT500 - 540hp
Camaro - 426hp
a differance of 114hp

$31,000 (camaro) vs $47,000 (gt500) hmmm ok let me make up the differance by adding $16,000 worth of mods to the camaro then we will run.

kthxbye!

/thread

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Bocephus

The GT500s have had a 6 speed since they come back out in 2007.

Edited

[K-A]

Wahhhhh.

BTW, I just found this smiley, pretty cool, no relevance to the Thread though, besides a Stang and 'Maro:

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Gladly

A GT500, a 2010 for example, is 540 at the crank. It is not SAE cert, so as with the GT, it is probably underrated. From MT article.

"Our best run scrambled to 60 in 4.7 sec and through the quarter mile in 12.7 at 118.1 mph. That trap speed is dead-on the KR's and lends credence to Ford's performance claims."

The whole article talks about weather ect was against them, but the important thing here is the trap speed. Now with my handy dandy engine calc, @ 118 trap, and 3900 weight, the GT500 @ the crank is 601. Since there are others running as low as 12.2 in the GT500 (MM&FF) this seems to be about right. This is again Stock. From this website, there is a member running 12.5 after a CIA and tune. There is some debate in that thread, so I will use this instead.



LMR with CIA and Tune running 13.0 @ 110. Now with the calc, the SS weighs in at 3860. With that trap speed, that SS in the vid should be 482 @ the crank roughly. Considering intake and tune, that sounds about right.

Now you guys say it will not take any money to mod up and surpass a GT500. I disagree. While you can mod and overtake a stock GT500 and as we see in the vid it will take more than a intake and tune, A modded GT500 intake pulley, and tune, will easily churn out well over 550+ to the wheels. A 07~09 with CIA, pulley and tune does it now. A 07 GT500 @ the shop, dyno's 545RWHP with a tune, C&L intake, and one pulley size. Those mods on a GT500 will not run you over a 1k, and that's on the high side. Also take into the fact that a GT500 has a different suspension than a GT, and will launch much much better. It is already upgraded. I doubt that the Camaro's IRS is setup from factory to combat the wheel hop issues as power increases.

But lets say were staying stock on the GT500. IF the thread in this forum is indeed factual, and the driver did get 12.5 from just a intake and tune, then yes I can agree that it would take less cash to outrun a stock GT500 2010. But then again, with data we have (non controversy) it would seem that is not the case. 6k is not cheap, (stalker kit?) at least not in my book, and from what I understand that is not with install or tune. In the end though, as they say, when you start modding anything can happen.

Running up against a un~modded GT500..09 or below ? Highly unlikely. A 2010 ? Better chance, but as the data suggest, you will need mods, and 6k kit is a start. It remains to be seen if that is enough.

It is indeed with an install and a tune.

I don't understand how that isn't enough? It puts down more power to the wheels with less weight. Shouldn't that be enough as long as one isn't way more aerodynamic than the other?

I also don't understand how the 12.5 run is controversial? LMR said they did his stuff so it's unlikely he's lying about anything.

As well, the 2010 GT500 is indeed SAE certified so talking about it being underrated is silly. Your calculator isn't taking any factors into account obviously (gearing, etc).

Also, it's great that modding the GT500 is easy. No one said it wasn't, but the people were talking about a modded Camaro to a stock GT500 (no, it's not fair, but neither is comparing a $46,000 car to a $31,000/$34,000 car). You can't suddenly change the argument when it's clear you're not going to win.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

It is indeed with an install and a tune.

I don't understand how that isn't enough? It puts down more power to the wheels with less weight. Shouldn't that be enough as long as one isn't way more aerodynamic than the other?

I also don't understand how the 12.5 run is controversial? LMR said they did his stuff so it's unlikely he's lying about anything.

As well, the 2010 GT500 is indeed SAE certified so talking about it being underrated is silly. Your calculator isn't taking any factors into account obviously (gearing, etc).

Also, it's great that modding the GT500 is easy. No one said it wasn't, but the people were talking about a modded Camaro to a stock GT500 (no, it's not fair, but neither is comparing a $46,000 car to a $31,000/$34,000 car). You can't suddenly change the argument when it's clear you're not going to win.

Exactly.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

It is indeed with an install and a tune.

I don't understand how that isn't enough? It puts down more power to the wheels with less weight. Shouldn't that be enough as long as one isn't way more aerodynamic than the other?

I also don't understand how the 12.5 run is controversial? LMR said they did his stuff so it's unlikely he's lying about anything.

As well, the 2010 GT500 is indeed SAE certified so talking about it being underrated is silly. Your calculator isn't taking any factors into account obviously (gearing, etc).

Also, it's great that modding the GT500 is easy. No one said it wasn't, but the people were talking about a modded Camaro to a stock GT500 (no, it's not fair, but neither is comparing a $46,000 car to a $31,000/$34,000 car). You can't suddenly change the argument when it's clear you're not going to win.

In that thread others are claiming, (other camaro guys btw) that its a auto and he is spraying. In the video the guy in the background says it. I would say that is controversial. That is why I posted the other vid, which btw is from LMR. With the exact same mods.

As for SAE. I will admit when I am wrong. The 2010 is SAE, so it is 540 horse. And true the calc does not use gearing, so I will throw out that argument and just go with track times.

So in the end with a 6k DS package, and if you get the SS for lets say 34k, you will indded compete easily with a 2010 GT500, for less money.

Bravo, Bravo my friend.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

In that thread others are claiming, (other camaro guys btw) that its a auto and he is spraying. In the video the guy in the background says it. I would say that is controversial. That is why I posted the other vid, which btw is from LMR. With the exact same mods.

As for SAE. I will admit when I am wrong. The 2010 is SAE, so it is 540 horse. And true the calc does not use gearing, so I will throw out that argument and just go with track times.

So in the end with a 6k DS package, and if you get the SS for lets say 34k, you will indded compete easily with a 2010 GT500, for less money.

Bravo, Bravo my friend.

He explained it was his cousin making a joke. His car was a manual with only those mods. He just happens to know how to drive. I don't know why that's controversial. As for the other car, it is indeed likely that different drivers get different times. Watch some people driving the new Mustang's get crappy times and others get awesome times. You also can't really judge just on a video with no other information (DA, conditions). Like when people were jumping on Nine Ball for only running a 13.5 until it was revealed that with his DA it was equivalent to a 13.01.

Yes, you can compete/win against the GT500 for $6K, but where the GT500 really shines is the component quality. You can up the power on everything and not worry about it. I don't want you to think I am anti-Mustang, I am pro-nice cars, which the Mustang definitely falls into. I just wanted to point out what the original argument is.

I know, I know, it seems like I am anti-Mustang but that is not the case! I love the Mustang, but I just don't like the threads where both sides try to bash one another because there's no winning!!

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

He explained it was his cousin making a joke. His car was a manual with only those mods. He just happens to know how to drive. I don't know why that's controversial.

Yes, you can compete/win against the GT500 for $6K, but where the GT500 really shines is the component quality. You can up the power on everything and not worry about it. I don't want you to think I am anti-Mustang, I am pro-nice cars, which the Mustang definitely falls into. I just wanted to point out what the original argument is.

I know, I know, it seems like I am anti-Mustang but that is not the case! I love the Mustang, but I just don't like the threads where both sides try to bash one another because there's no winning!!

In what you say is true, but we are comparing stock vs mod.yes you can mod up a GT500 a lot safer at a lot higher levels but then you are getting into mod wars.

As fror the thread, I believe he can drive as well. But there are people in that thread that disagrees. So when that happen, I just took a vid with the same mods, same type of car and posted it. It a shame that some do not believe him, but playing devils advocate, it does seem odd that LMR can not drive the car to a 12.5 with the same mods and is a full 5 secs behind. At least from what I have seen so far.