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xc_SS/RS · 03-15-2018, 11:08 AM

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Apparently Ford burned around $1 billion bringing it to market.

Jeeeez that's a lot. I wonder if whoever green lit that one is out of a job now

*DGthe3* · 03-15-2018, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xc_SS/RS

Jeeeez that's a lot. I wonder if whoever green lit that one is out of a job now

Actually, I think a billion is about the norm these days for an all new vehicle. Can be even higher if its on a unique/heavily rejiggered platform. Cars that require tons of R&D also push the cost up too. I think the 1st gen Volt was in the 1.5 to 2 billion range, for example.

Conversely, if its a fairly simple re-skin of something else (or only relatively a small change from the previous generation), or has a couple basic powertrains the development can be reduced.

Cars are expensive to bring to market. They are the most complicated mass produced things in existence. To produce them you need a fairly large team of specialists working for years, a small fleet of (expensive) prototypes to work the bugs out with, and a bunch of complex tooling/dies to purchase to actually build the thing. It adds up.

Angrybird 12 · 03-15-2018, 04:38 PM

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I thought the Continental was supposed to be doing alright, sales wise.

On the other hand, the number of cars sold matters less than how many you were planning on selling & how much is made off each one.

I don’t think I have ever seen one on the road.. If I did I must have thought it was something else.

huggercamaro21 · 03-15-2018, 04:50 PM

Its a great idea. But they brought back on top of a FWD car. Just not going to cut it.

ilirg · 03-16-2018, 12:09 AM

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Speaking of luxury cars...

The day after Escala is rumored going into production, Continental is rumored to be a dead man walking.

Doesn't surprise me, while it was not bad to look at, it was just an all around dumb bloated sedan.

Martinjlm · 03-16-2018, 07:54 AM

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Speaking of luxury cars...

The day after Escala is rumored going into production, Continental is rumored to be a dead man walking.

Look at it from the perspective of Escala being an S-Class / 7-Series / LS500 competitor and Continental being an Acura RLX competitor. The first group is low, but fairly consistent volume / demand. The second is losing market share rapidly to luxury SUV and crossover models.

FenwickHockey65 · 03-16-2018, 08:08 AM

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So Cadillac won’t be shifting entirely to SUVs and crossovers. It’ll keep making cars, de Nysschen said, especially cars that can be world-beaters in terms of the driving experience. There’s a new small sedan coming down the pipeline, likely to compete with cars like the Mercedes CLA, BMW 2 Series, and Audi A3, which will be the only car in its segment to come with rear-wheel-drive as standard, and in top-spec trim “it will certainly lap the Nurburgring faster than anyone of our competitors in that category, if they care about that.”

JDN again confirms CT4 RWD compact Cadillac.

Bhobbs · 03-16-2018, 08:40 AM

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JDN again confirms CT4 RWD compact Cadillac.

I’m sure it will lap the Ring just fine. Will it have a good interior and an entertainment system that people don’t loathe?

FenwickHockey65 · 03-16-2018, 09:31 AM

http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/topi...t-mega-thread/

2020 HD trucks.

DEF tank/fill confirmed relocated.

shaffe · 03-16-2018, 11:02 AM

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I’m sure it will lap the Ring just fine. Will it have a good interior and an entertainment system that people don’t loathe?

LOL.

So will said CT4 be ATS sized or smaller?

*DGthe3* · 03-16-2018, 11:11 AM

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LOL.

So will said CT4 be ATS sized or smaller?

I think the CT4 is supposed to be a 'tweener' like the old CTS. Smaller than the current CTS but bigger than the ATS. The CT2 (if the go with even number names) would likely be a touch smaller than the ATS.

FenwickHockey65 · 03-16-2018, 11:14 AM

CT5 is supposed to straddle the compact-midsize segment. CT4 is looking to be something like a 2-series/CLA competitor.

shaffe · 03-16-2018, 02:01 PM

I really really really dislike the naming strategy lol

FenwickHockey65 · 03-16-2018, 02:08 PM

Wait until we have a CT4, CT5, CT6, Escala, XT4, XT5, XT6, and Escalade.

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