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big hammer · 08-11-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

Thats because most of them trap 104-106 bone stock... out of 300 thousand stock ls1 runs, 15 of them ran 110 in perfect weather and a great driver... then there all high 12s and trap 110

as opposed to how all l99 cars run 109+ right?

Bad70supreme · 08-11-2012, 12:40 PM

Were did I say that... None of these cars run anywhere near the top of the fast list on avg. That goes for all of them... Stangs, camaros, gtos, most of the guys that bicker about this crap online probably never even race there cars! Any one of them can be fast, and driving is more important then the car when there this close in performance.

VADER SS L99 · 08-12-2012, 12:53 PM

Having a 4th gen for 6yrs and now having a L99 I think that I have more experience than most and I would say they are very, very close. It would come down to options on the 4th gen. I would say a low option prime running condition 4th gen would be faster than a L99 by maybe a tenth of a second but a heavily options 4th gen would loose to a L99 by a tenth of a second. My 4th gen was just a little over 3400lbs without driver and had every and I do mean every bolt on. It had 3.73 gears, full rear suspension, Level 5 built 4L60E with a PI Vigilante converter, LT headers and full exhaust, Underdrive pulleys, electric water pump, better plugs and wires, lid and ram air mod, DR's and a tune. Intake manifold and valve covers had never been off the car. It ran consistant low 12's with a best of 12.2. My track here is 1000ft above sea level so I never had near 0 DA, not even close. The car would have ran in the 11's easy if I could have run it on a sea level track with mine shaft air. From what I have seen thats right in line with what a full bolt on L99 will do. You have to realize that a stock LS1 F-body makes about 300RWHP on average. Add that to a slim 3400lb car and you can see why it will give a stock 3900lb L99 car fits. The fact is GM just screwed us auto owners by putting a truck/SUV motor under our hoods rather than a true Corvette LS3.

JHL88 · 08-13-2012, 03:25 AM

ive had both and my opinion is a m6 LS1 would have the edge over a L99 the better race would be LS3 vs M6 LS1. generally speaking they are all close

JHL88 · 08-13-2012, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 11fastss

L99 wins, would never own an Lslow1 again

lol you must've had a crappy running car

red70tvhs · 08-13-2012, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 11fastss

By no means was my 2001 WS6 TA slow, but it is not as quick as my camaro, mainly because it couldn't hook as well(really needed 315's on rear), but also I modded my L99 with exhaust, tune, and intake a week after i bought it(now i need 315's on this), so they probably would be pretty close stock for stock, but after a good tune the 6.2L will whip it all day long. I was just kidding about the LSlow comment, I wish I would have kept my T/A, especially now that pontiac is no more. All I can say is if your not doing dod delete with a tune on your l99, you are definitely missing out, it is a completely different animal, if i didn't know that it was possible to disable dod, I would not have bought the automatic car.

I wouldnt buy an auto regardless. I love the manual, its a prefrence, Il sacrifice a little consistancy for it, I dont mind. Considering you fixed the L99 a week after purchaseing the car i'd understand how you'd think the T/A was slow. The L99 is SH*T outa the box... chevy screwed auto guys. You all gotta bolt on like crazy, tune like crazy, and void your warranty just to get the car to perform like it should! Its bs. lol

SGOS252382 · 08-13-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by big hammer

as opposed to how all l99 cars run 109+ right?

As mentioned
most (average) LS1 Fbody trap in the 104 - 106 mph range (very similar to the L99 A6). My stock LS1 Z28s usually trapped right around 105/106 mph in pretty good air.

It would take ATCO winter conditions (negative 2000 ft DA) to get a stock LS1 Fbody or L99 A6 to trap 110 mph.

SGOS252382 · 08-13-2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by red70tvhs

I wouldnt buy an auto regardless. I love the manual, its a prefrence, Il sacrifice a little consistancy for it, I dont mind. Considering you fixed the L99 a week after purchaseing the car i'd understand how you'd think the T/A was slow. The L99 is SH*T outa the box... chevy screwed auto guys. You all gotta bolt on like crazy, tune like crazy, and void your warranty just to get the car to perform like it should! Its bs. lol

L99 A6 comes with a very aggressive 1st gear that gets it off the line really well. That really what it does best.
A stock L99 A6 almost always out 60' a stock LS3 M6.

Its on the top end that the LS3 M6 has the advantage.

And I'm not sure who told you L99 A6's need to be "bolt on like crazy."
Very basic mods (intake, headers, and a conservative tune) will give you a mid 12s @ 111 mph car.

The fastest L99 A6 with just intake, headers, and tune ran 12.2s @ 113 mph.

But I'll admit, to get in the 11s it will take more serious mods. But that's the same for the LS3 M6.
The LS3 M6s need just as many bolt on mods (or more) to run the same times.

Bad70supreme · 08-14-2012, 07:46 AM

Just watched pass time last night!

2001 Z28... low options I assume, he had crank windows
All stock expect cold air and hand held tuner, auto trans

13.2 something at 105

This is pretty much what they run on avg like I said before, take the hand held tune and intake off that car and it would have been slower.

Devilfish · 08-14-2012, 08:04 AM

Not stock for stock but my mods are CAI and cat back with cut outs open. He was more heavily moded than me but nothing past bolt ons. He was manual, I am auto.
I spun off the line, he did too but not as much. Hot night, high humidity and later in the evening so track prep was suffering. 1/8 mile in the foothills of SC.

SSinisterLS3 · 08-18-2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jph2275

1. It was a factory 12 second ls1

2. Nothing to do with driving ability, either.

My nod is to the LS1 as well .... someday I want to own another one

You made me spit tea all over my screen! Auto? 12s? STOCK? NO SIR! NO SIR!!! Check drag times. It took professional drivers to manage a 12.8. For the second part, I would hope this would have nothing to do with your "driving ability" seeing as how your "ability" to shift from P to D should be just fine.....

I would have to say driver's race as both have proved the same 1/4 times.

jph2275 · 08-18-2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SSinisterLS3

You made me spit tea all over my screen! Auto? 12s? STOCK? NO SIR! NO SIR!!! Check drag times. It took professional drivers to manage a 12.8. For the second part, I would hope this would have nothing to do with your "driving ability" seeing as how your "ability" to shift from P to D should be just fine.....

I would have to say driver's race as both have proved the same 1/4 times.

good.

And I would have to say that I was there, owned the car, and it did what i'm saying it did

. Not too worried with what you found on drag times.

Also, I was referring to the LS3 and my driving ability ... not the auto LS1. That may not have been clear, but don't chop up what I said in a quote and take it out of context

08-11-2012, 12:40 PM	#58
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	Were did I say that... None of these cars run anywhere near the top of the fast list on avg. That goes for all of them... Stangs, camaros, gtos, most of the guys that bicker about this crap online probably never even race there cars! Any one of them can be fast, and driving is more important then the car when there this close in performance. __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

08-12-2012, 12:53 PM	#59
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	Having a 4th gen for 6yrs and now having a L99 I think that I have more experience than most and I would say they are very, very close. It would come down to options on the 4th gen. I would say a low option prime running condition 4th gen would be faster than a L99 by maybe a tenth of a second but a heavily options 4th gen would loose to a L99 by a tenth of a second. My 4th gen was just a little over 3400lbs without driver and had every and I do mean every bolt on. It had 3.73 gears, full rear suspension, Level 5 built 4L60E with a PI Vigilante converter, LT headers and full exhaust, Underdrive pulleys, electric water pump, better plugs and wires, lid and ram air mod, DR's and a tune. Intake manifold and valve covers had never been off the car. It ran consistant low 12's with a best of 12.2. My track here is 1000ft above sea level so I never had near 0 DA, not even close. The car would have ran in the 11's easy if I could have run it on a sea level track with mine shaft air. From what I have seen thats right in line with what a full bolt on L99 will do. You have to realize that a stock LS1 F-body makes about 300RWHP on average. Add that to a slim 3400lb car and you can see why it will give a stock 3900lb L99 car fits. The fact is GM just screwed us auto owners by putting a truck/SUV motor under our hoods rather than a true Corvette LS3. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

08-13-2012, 03:25 AM	#60
JHL88 Drives: 02 z06 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Virginia/south carolina Posts: 416	ive had both and my opinion is a m6 LS1 would have the edge over a L99 the better race would be LS3 vs M6 LS1. generally speaking they are all close __________________ 1997 RS wrecked 1998 Z28 sold 10 SS sold 2002 torch redc5z06 - sold :( '13 z71 4x4 - DD www.fquick.com/JHL88

08-14-2012, 07:46 AM	#65
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	Just watched pass time last night! 2001 Z28... low options I assume, he had crank windows All stock expect cold air and hand held tuner, auto trans 13.2 something at 105 This is pretty much what they run on avg like I said before, take the hand held tune and intake off that car and it would have been slower. __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

08-14-2012, 08:04 AM	#66
Devilfish US Navy Chief Drives: Camaro Sold Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rotten Groton, CT Posts: 354	Not stock for stock but my mods are CAI and cat back with cut outs open. He was more heavily moded than me but nothing past bolt ons. He was manual, I am auto. I spun off the line, he did too but not as much. Hot night, high humidity and later in the evening so track prep was suffering. 1/8 mile in the foothills of SC. Last edited by Devilfish; 08-15-2012 at 10:37 AM.