TSP Stage 3 vs. BTR Stage 4 Cam

[suprchrgd]

TSP STG 3 : Specs:
231/236 .640"/615", 111 LSA

BTR STG 4 Specs:
233/250 .619"/.595" 113+5

edited 8/9/18: found out that my sons car actaull y has a cam motion titan stg 3 cam in it.
Cam Motion Titan Stg 3 Spec: 227/365-XA237/355-13+3.5


So my son has a 2010 SS with the tsp stg 3 cam and 2" headers. he has raced a few other camaro including mine which is a 2015 1LE running the btr stg 4 cam. He makes 50 whp less than my car and if I didn't have the 3.91 gears in mine, he would pull on my car like he has any other camaro with the stg 4 btr cam.

If we go from a 40 roll, i barely pull on him until through 2nd and 3rd, then the gap starts opening up through 4th.

This tsp cam is strong and very impressed with it! The stage 4 btr cam makes more power, but I feel like the stg 3 tsp cam works better...

[Witt51]

My first cam was the tsp cam. I have full bolt-one and shaved heads. It's a 2011 ls3 and dyno at 508. I've had 2 other cams since then. Tsp 231-246(i believe) and btr stage 2 with a special grind. Mustang dyno at 477.i loved the tsp stage 3 by far. It seemed to feel stronger to me

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[Bandit63]

I have the TSP stage 3, really like the power it makes

[zz430camaro]

so are you putting that cam in?

[HOJO]

The 1 LE is geared totally different. Even though we have 391’s in the rear the transmission is geared different. My buddy with a 2010 will pull me from a roll and on up. The 1 LE is geared for track purposes not drag racing. That’s the issue. Look at the fast list for the the SS and 1LE. SS is typically about 2 tenths faster in the 1/4. This is roughly 2 to 21/2 car lengths.

[suprchrgd]

Originally Posted by HOJO

The 1 LE is geared totally different. Even though we have 391’s in the rear the transmission is geared different. My buddy with a 2010 will pull me from a roll and on up. The 1 LE is geared for track purposes not drag racing. That’s the issue. Look at the fast list for the the SS and 1LE. SS is typically about 2 tenths faster in the 1/4. This is roughly 2 to 21/2 car lengths.

dang!

[Punisher_ATX]

Originally Posted by HOJO

The 1 LE is geared totally different. Even though we have 391’s in the rear the transmission is geared different. My buddy with a 2010 will pull me from a roll and on up. The 1 LE is geared for track purposes not drag racing. That’s the issue. Look at the fast list for the the SS and 1LE. SS is typically about 2 tenths faster in the 1/4. This is roughly 2 to 21/2 car lengths.

The Worlds Fastest HCI 5th gen is a 1le with a stock 1le tr6060. =)

[KB85]

Worlds fastest by what standard? 1/4 mile, 1 mile, open distance?

[acammer]

This SS vs. 1LE gear ratio thing gets a little twisted some times. If you factor the trans, final drive, and tire height, and shift at 6500rpm the gear changes for an SS come at 53, 78, 112, and 161. In a 1LE they come at 52, 77, 106, 138. The 1LE has an advantage up till it has to shift to fourth, just before the traps. An SS can stretch out just a little further than a 1LE, and with stock power levels, that's the advantage of not making that extra gear change in the 1320.

However, if you're gonna do a 60-140 roll, the 1LE will pull out a little when you make the shift to third, and doesn't have the big gap making the shift to 4th to overcome, and will be out front the whole way.

The point is, that 1-3, in stock configuration, is very similar for both cars, 1-2 is essentially identical, and 3rds just a bit shorter in the 1LE. When you pull into fourth in a 1LE though, they don't lay over, just right back into the sweet spot.

If you wanna go drag racing and really have some fun, you need a 1LE gearbox with a 4.56 rear gear!

[zz430camaro]

Originally Posted by acammer

This SS vs. 1LE gear ratio thing gets a little twisted some times. If you factor the trans, final drive, and tire height, and shift at 6500rpm the gear changes for an SS come at 53, 78, 112, and 161. In a 1LE they come at 52, 77, 106, 138. The 1LE has an advantage up till it has to shift to fourth, just before the traps. An SS can stretch out just a little further than a 1LE, and with stock power levels, that's the advantage of not making that extra gear change in the 1320.

However, if you're gonna do a 60-140 roll, the 1LE will pull out a little when you make the shift to third, and doesn't have the big gap making the shift to 4th to overcome, and will be out front the whole way.

The point is, that 1-3, in stock configuration, is very similar for both cars, 1-2 is essentially identical, and 3rds just a bit shorter in the 1LE. When you pull into fourth in a 1LE though, they don't lay over, just right back into the sweet spot.

If you wanna go drag racing and really have some fun, you need a 1LE gearbox with a 4.56 rear gear!

True, the final drive ratios are very similar. I think the fast list always shows SS faster than 1LE because there are way more of them and way more data to get better runs.

[zz430camaro]

Old Thread with good graph showing differences SS vs 1LE

https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270747

[acammer]

Originally Posted by zz430camaro

True, the final drive ratios are very similar. I think the fast list always shows SS faster than 1LE because there are way more of them and way more data to get better runs.

Agree - not that you can't drag race a 1LE, you sure can, but there are a lot less of them out there, and a lot of those guys are probably using the car more for it's intended purpose, a road-course weapon.

In stock form, the SS definitely has a slight advantage in being able to pull third nearly up to, or even through the beams. Once you put a little more power in an SS, you're shifting either car before you finish, and that advantage is erased. A 1LE should charge the 1/8th mile better, given the shorter third gear.

I want an MM6 with 4.56's! Too bad we don't have that gear for our rear - not that it would last long in an 8.6" configuration anyways.

[zz430camaro]

Originally Posted by acammer

Agree - not that you can't drag race a 1LE, you sure can, but there are a lot less of them out there, and a lot of those guys are probably using the car more for it's intended purpose, a road-course weapon.

In stock form, the SS definitely has a slight advantage in being able to pull third nearly up to, or even through the beams. Once you put a little more power in an SS, you're shifting either car before you finish, and that advantage is erased. A 1LE should charge the 1/8th mile better, given the shorter third gear.

I want an MM6 with 4.56's! Too bad we don't have that gear for our rear - not that it would last long in an 8.6" configuration anyways.

Well 4.56 gears is a phone call away, oh and $5500 LOL

https://paceperformance.com/i-124297...-56-ratio.html

[Deftones]

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