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my question to them woulda been "how does it avoid the GGT with 16mpg city and 24 hwy?"
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04-25-2012, 05:43 PM | #30 |
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That's a big number. I like it.
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04-25-2012, 05:53 PM | #32 |
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The Gas Guzzler Tax for each vehicle is based on its combined city and highway fuel economy value. Manufacturers must follow U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) procedures to calculate the tax. The calculation uses a formula that weights fuel economy test results for city and highway driving cycles (the combined value is based on 55% city driving and 45% highway driving). Fuel economy values are calculated before sales begin for the model year. The total amount of the tax is determined later and is based on the total number of gas guzzler vehicles that were sold that year. It is assessed after production has ended for the model year and is paid by the vehicle manufacturer or importer.
EPA and manufacturers use the same test to measure vehicle fuel economy for the Gas Guzzler Tax and for new car fuel economy labels. However, the calculation procedures for tax and label purposes differ, resulting in different fuel economy values. This is because an adjustment factor is applied to the fuel economy test results for purposes of the label, but not for the tax. The adjustment is intended to help account for the differences between “real-world” and laboratory testing conditions. EPA conducts fuel economy tests in a laboratory on a dynamometer (a device similar to a treadmill). Laboratory conditions can be different from real world conditions for such parameters as vehicle speeds, acceleration rates, driving patterns, ambient temperatures, fuel type, tire pressure, wind resistance, etc. EPA studies indicate that vehicles driven by typical drivers under typical road conditions get approximately 70 to 90 percent of the laboratory test-based city miles per gallon (mpg) value and approximately 70 to 80 percent of laboratory highway mpg value. This difference is referred to as “”in-use shortfall.” To account for the in-use shortfall, the city and highway mpg values listed in Fuel Economy Guide and shown on fuel economy labels are based on fuel economy test results of the city and highway tests plus three additional tests. The three additional tests measure fuel economy 1) at cold ambient temperatures, 2) at warmer temperatures with the air conditioner running, and 3) when operated at high speeds and high acceleration rates. However, the combined city and highway fuel economy that is used to determine tax liability is not adjusted to account for in-use shortfall, so it is higher than the mpg values provided in the Fuel Economy Guide (www.fueleconomy.gov) and posted on the window stickers of new vehicles. top of page Tax Schedule The IRS collects the tax directly from the manufacturer or importer of the vehicles. The following table shows the gas guzzler tax rates which have been in effect since January 1, 1991. The manufacturer or importer must pay this amount for each vehicle that does not meet the minimum fuel economy level of 22.5 mpg. Combined fuel economy of: Amount at least 22.5 mpg No tax |
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I like GM gave buyers a chance to get some of that road course magic at a price that's not in ZL1 territory!
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04-25-2012, 06:18 PM | #35 |
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so it was another pre-production special. Got it.
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04-25-2012, 06:39 PM | #36 |
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http://www.caranddriver.com/features...to-2012-page-8
Notice what ran a 3:02.8...BOSS LS ...and the GT 500 ran what? 2/10ths quicker than a CADILLAC...which weighs 400+ lbs. more...it's a good thing the Stang's workin' on it's vaunted POWER-TO-WEIGHT... ...and the 1LE ran "under 3:00"...which beats the BOSS LS and certainly the 550hp GT 500... ...for "Under $40K"... Feel free to direct the Dearborn Dandies to this link... |
04-25-2012, 06:43 PM | #37 |
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Shelby GT500 FTW. Very very impressive car.
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04-25-2012, 06:54 PM | #38 |
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Indeed...reminds me of the winter of '69 when Ford announced their killer plans for the Shotgun BOSS 429 on F60s..."gonna annihilate the Camaro!"...and it struggled to run high-13s (the 13.60 listed was by far the quickest that nose-heavy slug ever ran)...while the ZL1 on 70-series tires ran 13-teens...
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...s-50fast.shtml The more things change, the more they stay the very same... |
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04-25-2012, 07:09 PM | #40 |
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Funny...a word you like to use...I didn't start any of this on this site...it was the Dearborn Dandies who invaded this territory to tell us simpletons what a fine outstanding piece of horse-flesh this soon-coming Stang is, and that we should head to the Arc before the Ford Flood arrives!!!
Got my galoshes on, FFR. Best you find some water-wings... Road course? ZL1...proven over the BOSS @ VIR...and Arizona, too. "Only by a few seconds", moaned the Ford fans. "Only", indeed... 1/4-mile? Only Ford guys seem to be REALLY excited about a more expen$ive nose-heavy night-MARE having some opportunity at possible redemption, there. BALANCE. ZL1...in SPADES! After all, this is the new milennium, not the greaseball days of old... For less dough...and no extra-cost band-aid options required...and no patchwork chili salesmen required. |
04-25-2012, 07:15 PM | #41 |
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Y'all sound like a bunch of whiny babies all talking out your azz. Ain't no Mustang die-hard is gonna buy a Camaro, and no dedicated Camaro lover is gonna buy a Mustang. It's how it was, is, and will be. Get over it.
You cannot be unbiased in this. It's like having kids. You may SAY you love them all equally, but you know, deep down, there's always a favorite, no matter how slight. Don't bother lying about it ,either.
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