2013 Mustang GT500 MEGA THREAD

[c4maroboy]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

It could be worse. You could have a Boss 302. Death by your own family's hand.

hahaha your right...ouch

[c4maroboy]

can someone tell me why we dont a customer video of the zl1s launch control n such???

[ffrcobra_65]

Originally Posted by Blue Menace

I normally agree with your posts, but not on this account. Point me to where Al O. mentions BMW specifically or generally to any European car. All I heard him mention was Ford/GT500. Where did I miss those references I'm mentioning?

Al and another popular guy at GM and here, not counting the countless others in this forum. Well, like they say...be careful what you ask for....

[SSE 4 2SS]

Originally Posted by GR8PUMKN

I think it is really sad that you feel the need to move or delete threads upon your discretion! Isn't there supposed to be rules or is it just your opinion? Everyone has an opinion and a right to voice it ford or Chevy no matter. You moderators take this stuff and the little power you have too seriously.are you supposed to use it to keep discussions or even arguements off the site? I recognize this is a camaro site but you moderators Are ridiculous. What do you get out of closing or deleting threads? Just wondering. Not trying to get kicked off the site.

I'm sorry you feel that way...

It isn't a power trip as you imply, it is about keeping the site friendly and family oriented... Believe me, I'm way to long in the tooth to worry about who has the "power."

Unfortunately there are people on here that start threads or add to them that do not have the ability to carry on a conversation without getting personal...

Contrary to your comments about everyone having an opinion, which is true, there is no such thing as freedom of speech on this site... It is a privately owned and operated site for the benefit of Camaro owners... and people that can appreciate it. We make and uphold the rules based on past events... not on the opinions of people that come in, make 20 posts, and then head on back to their own regular site...

It is not a Ford site, though we have some very beneficial members that own and drive Fords, nor is it a Dodge site with the same caveat....

We do have rules, feel free to read them, and we uphold the rules, for the benefit of those that care to follow them.

When the site gets out of hand, as it has lately with the release of the GT 500, which is an amazing car by the way, then we step in and clean it up... There has been a lot of lee-way given recently, but it has reached the point of being too much... therefore, we are cleaning it up...

Please note the highlighted areas below... I have taken a few minutes to highlight some of the areas we are addressing...


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[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by NoWRX

As much as GM likes to take credit for Ford developing the Boss and the '13 GT500, that simply isn't the case. GM still has no competitor to the Boss, therefore it wasn't developed in response to anything. Additionally, the ZL1 had nothing to do with the '13 GT500's development, either. Ford needed to bump up the GT500 because there wasn't enough differentiation between the Boss and the '12 GT500 in terms of performance. (A '12 Boss is nearly as fast in a straight line as the '12 GT500 was, for thousands less)



Pretty much. A new 5.0 isn't much slower than a '07-'09 GT500 was, the entire model lineup has just made a natural progression upwards.

---and you'd know this because you sat in how many Ford Product Planning meetings???




Lots of conjecture in this thread.

Yes - the ZL1 was meant to take on the GT-500 --

Yes - the ZL1 was meant to take on BMW and many other cars

-- and the proof of this is a lap around Nurburgring..........or any other road course.......

I suspect (...notice I said 'suspect'.....) that the ZL1 will beat the Pony around a road course - and the Pony will be a bit faster in the quarter mile -- BUT -- as several people have pointed out: The Driver will make a difference........

Competition is good......it gets you most of what you ask for!

[lbls1]

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[SVT Murrocket]

Originally Posted by SlingShot

In a straight line, YES the GT500 is faster ... By a lot, kinda depends on your definition of a lot. Other than a straight line, we really don't know as of yet. We also don't really know about the straight line until it gets into the hands of private owners.

I really don't base anything off of propaganda by either manufacture, or by the different mags or any of the media chest thumping fest.

Personally I know what I drive and it's stock and is faster than 90% of the stock cars on the road that I see on a daily basis.

A half second through the quarter is a lot faster by anyone's defination. Do you know how many lengths that is???

[97SS]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

---and you'd know this because you sat in how many Ford Product Planning meetings???




Lots of conjecture in this thread.

Yes - the ZL1 was meant to take on the GT-500 --

Yes - the ZL1 was meant to take on BMW and many other cars

-- and the proof of this is a lap around Nurburgring..........or any other road course.......

I suspect (...notice I said 'suspect'.....) that the ZL1 will beat the Pony around a road course - and the Pony will be a bit faster in the quarter mile -- BUT -- as several people have pointed out: The Driver will make a difference........

Competition is good......it gets you most of what you ask for!

It's funny to see excuse after excuse here. Before it was " 662HP? ha, its useless power since it can't deliver it to the ground" . Now its " The Camaro is faster around the road course".

Whenever I take my F body to the track, there is 10 Mustangs to my 1 Camaro. I have yet to see any ZL1 track experiences from users here, except for a whole lot bragging. I say everyone keeps there mouth shut, and do the real talking at the track with YOUR car.

[BigHemiSrt]

I would love to see one of the mags run the comparison test between the two, the 2013 will beat it convincingly then say well lets shoot for a more even battle and pull out a 2012 GT500 to do battle against the ZL1. That would be epic.

[wawrecker]

[SVT Murrocket]

Originally Posted by 69bossnine

Fair comment... I agree..

And we ALL KNOW that when you're racing 1/4-mile, and you're 4-5 lengths and-growing behind your nemesis, well... Your weenie is basically inverted inside your pelvis at that point...

I still have vivid memories of a hot Supra turbo serving me up that flacid feeling...

Good one. A Ferarri got me...I hooked up with my girlfriend right away to make sure everything still worked...

[97SS]

P.S - I feel sorry for anyone who questions there ZL1 purchase. What happened to being an enthusiast of a certain car? Talking about which is a better dollar for dollar performance car, is a neverending conversation. I have better resolution for those on a budget for performance. Go purchase a Hayabusa Suzukia for a fraction of the cost, and it blow away any production car.

There is a very small niche for these type of cars. Most who are in the market for a GT500 or ZL1, are either a Camaro or Mustang fanatic. The people who aren't, are purchasing 6 cyl. cars.

[Blueclyde]

Several things about this thread confuse me.

First, why are all of the Mustang people on here? I know it is the internet and all but this is a Camaro site.

I am a car enthusiast that just happens to favor Chevrolets.

I own a ZL1 now and have owned 2 previous 5th gen Camaros (a 2010 and then a 2011, both were SS).

I am happy for any Mustang owner, or future owner, that feels the same way about their car and I do mine. I love the fact the competition is alive and well, as it is good for both companies and their customers.

I do not prefer the Mustang. I think the new GT500 has some issues that will be revealed over time. I think the fact that the car does not have a front grill is an engineering oversight that had to be accounted for with the dramtic step of having to remove it. I would bet the styling guys at Ford through a major hissy-fit but got over-ruled because the engineers couldn't keep the car cool. This big hole is ugly. This is just my opinion, but I know a little about automotive engineering programs. If were a Ford fan I would be stoked about the Mustang. I'm just not a Ford fan (and I worked for them for 9 years...).

The debate between these two cars, at least in my mind, has never been about 1/4 performance. Who really cares about that? If I did I certainly would not have purchased a ZL1. Not a good value with 1/4 mile perfromance as a goal and a car that cost $60K out the door.

This compariosn should be about overall vehicle performance, acceleration, grip, braking,steering, shifting, etc. etc. That, in my mind, can only be measured, in total, on a road course. Nurburgring is used by many OEM's to measure and establish perfromance metrics for the performance car segment. No, I will never drive on the Nurburgring, but it is a really good measure for a vehicle's overall performance. Potential buyers use this kind of data to help make a vehicle purchase decision (at least I do). I have heard that Ford has been to the Ring several times yet no numbers have been presented yet. Why is that? It can't be raining every day that they are there. What gives?

It would be really good to get a professional driver on the same road course with the both cars on the same day. Until that happens this whole debate means nothing to me. Laguna Seca, VIR, Road Atlanta or similar would be good choices. Let's line them up and see what they do.

1/4 mile performance should go to the Mustang. I would still like to see both cars at the same track on the same day with the same driver.

Both cars, same driver, same track, same day. That is the only way to measure them objectively. I can't wait to see that. Until then this is a bunch of Marketing BS.

[97SS]

Originally Posted by cbass

It will. That's the disadvantage of a SRA. The adavantage is it's a better drag race platform than IRS. On the track I'm sure it will perform very well. It's the pot hole ridden streets where it will suffer.

lol, so funny too read excuse, after excuse....

This is such a dead topic now.