[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

I'm hearing GM's plans for the Camaro are uncertain after the 2023 MY. I'd like to have a 6th gen before they're gone. This wouldn't be a primary car for me, just something for fun and nice weather days. I don't want to spend a mint on it.

I'm stuck wondering if I'd regret not getting an SS.
And I can't decide between auto or manual. I've driven manual for years and years but GM's 10-speed is so good.

I like the front fascia of the SS better, but, it's just a bumper cover. What am I not thinking of?

Despite the loss of performance, I'd rather have all-season tires. I live on a gravel drive and summer tires make the gravel stick to them. How hard am I really going to push this car on the street -- not very.

Thoughts?

Simple. If you do not want track your Camaro but want a V8 get the LT1. It handles every bit as good as an SS. It also is a tiny bit faster as I have proven. And the LT1 comes with all seasons. But I would recommend picking up a set of SS takeoff wheels and tires for the nice weather. The LT1 with these skinny tires can get squirrelly. Even with TC on.

I put the 1LE tires and wheels on my LT1 for the summer. Awesome! It handles better than my 2016 SS with those meats. Same suspension, same handling.

[ZPirate]

Originally Posted by DorsoDuroJohn

OCT of 2020, i got a 2021 Black LT1 RS package, w/Brembo fronts, 8" screen w/BOSE package, side skirts, negotiated heated leather seats aftermarket into the deal, 5 year warranty. OTD was 42k after all taxes.
Purchased 305/285 wheels and rims to get some rubber on the road to match 1LE sizes
Purchased a carbon splitter
Purchased a 1LE spoiler
I'm 45k into this car and it rocks.

Here's what an LT1 CAN look like. One shot with my buddy's C8.

Very nice! I really like what you've done to your LT1 RS.

Just for price comparison purposes my 1LE was 47k out the door, including rebate in February and taxes and tags. MSRP was 46,090, including the up charge for Rapid Blue. I've put about 2k in mods on it including side skirts and rock guards. So I'm at 49k.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Simple. If you do not want track your Camaro but want a V8 get the LT1. It handles every bit as good as an SS. It also is a tiny bit faster as I have proven. And the LT1 comes with all seasons. But I would recommend picking up a set of SS takeoff wheels and tires for the nice weather. The LT1 with these skinny tires can get squirrelly. Even with TC on.

I put the 1LE tires and wheels on my LT1 for the summer. Awesome! It handles better than my 2016 SS with those meats. Same suspension, same handling.

Not for nothing, but these are contradictory claims and cannot be true together. You have to change wheels and tires to have the same handling as on the SS, and with the 1LE set you're recommending OP will be encroaching on the weight of the SS, negating any minimal speed advantage.

The tire and wheel recommendations you made are solid, but let's not create false expectations.

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

Not for nothing, but these are contradictory claims and cannot be true together. You have to change wheels and tires to have the same handling as on the SS, and with the 1LE set you're recommending OP will be encroaching on the weight of the SS, negating any minimal speed advantage.

The tire and wheel recommendations you made are solid, but let's not create false expectations.

The LT1 will be lighter than a 1LE even when you install 1LE wheels on the LT1. This is especially true is you install the much lighter non-runflat tires on the wheels. The extra weight of the 1LE is in the multiple auxiliary coolers not found on the LT1.

[Chutzpah]

Originally Posted by 1LEornothing

The LT1 will be lighter than a 1LE even when you install 1LE wheels on the LT1. This is especially true is you install the much lighter non-runflat tires on the wheels. The extra weight of the 1LE is in the multiple auxiliary coolers not found on the LT1.

Yep you’re right, the only reason I know this is I checked specs between my LT1 wheels and tires (my forged LT1 wheels are lighter than the base cast). The LT1 run flats are ridiculously heavy, as are the cast skinny wheels.

The 1LE wheels are forged….Comparatively speaking, they’re light.

I’m sure I could dig out the info, but any weight difference between the OEM LT1 wheels and tires and a set of OEM 1LE wheels and tires is negligible.

[ZPirate]

Originally Posted by 1LEornothing

The LT1 will be lighter than a 1LE even when you install 1LE wheels on the LT1. This is especially true is you install the much lighter non-runflat tires on the wheels. The extra weight of the 1LE is in the multiple auxiliary coolers not found on the LT1.

Originally Posted by Chutzpah

Yep you’re right, the only reason I know this is I checked specs between my LT1 wheels and tires (my forged LT1 wheels are lighter than the base cast). The LT1 run flats are ridiculously heavy, as are the cast skinny wheels.

The 1LE wheels are forged….Comparatively speaking, they’re light.

I’m sure I could dig out the info, but any weight difference between the OEM LT1 wheels and tires and a set of OEM 1LE wheels and tires is negligible.

The other handling difference is that the 1LE has the FE4 suspension (and magnetic ride). The LT1 and SS have the FE3 setup.

I doubt there is much difference in weight between a 1SS and a 1SS 1LE.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by ZPirate

The other handling difference is that the 1LE has the FE4 suspension (and magnetic ride). The LT1 and SS have the FE3 setup.

I doubt there is much difference in weight between a 1SS and a 1SS 1LE.

eLSD probably has a few extra pounds, then larger front brakes, larger sway bars, the magride shocks are probably marginally heavier, the wider wheels and tires (those 20s are big and heavy, but like above, the run-flats on the other models probably cancel out the wider 1LE tires), the coolers. I think it's close to 100lbs.

[Evergreen6]

We're probably splitting hairs for my purposes and how I intend to use the car, but it's good discussion.

I like what I see both LT1 and 1SS. I'm probably leaning towards a 1SS but want to drive both to check my assumptions.

[LT1ornothing]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

We're probably splitting hairs for my purposes and how I intend to use the car, but it's good discussion.

I like what I see both LT1 and 1SS. I'm probably leaning towards a 1SS but want to drive both to check my assumptions.

Drive both, but do so remembering that the LT1 has the absolute least grip of any new car you can drive. The 1SS will grip, and stop better due to a stickier compound tire and slightly wider rear tires it comes with from the factory.
Simply changing tires on a LT1 can rival a 1SS in several performance metrics.

[keep_hope_alive]

Originally Posted by 1LEornothing

Drive both, but do so remembering that the LT1 has the absolute least grip of any new car you can drive. The 1SS will grip, and stop better due to a stickier compound tire and slightly wider rear tires it comes with from the factory.
Simply changing tires on a LT1 can rival a 1SS in several performance metrics.

Driving both requires finding both... which would require 250+ mile drives in different locations and the tire differences mean it's not a fair comparison (as you noted).

[Mikey1925]

Maybe this will help. I had an 22 LT1, manual, RS package, carbon flash wheels, Bose system, front splitter and satin black appearance package all ordered at the dealer. I went back priced out the 1SS with all the same options, but of course no Bose system. The price was $1700.00 more for the 1SS so it was almost a no brainer for me. I called my dealer and switched my order to the 1SS and boy am I glad I did.

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Mikey1925

Maybe this will help. I had an 22 LT1, manual, RS package, carbon flash wheels, Bose system, front splitter and satin black appearance package all ordered at the dealer. I went back priced out the 1SS with all the same options, but of course no Bose system. The price was $1700.00 more for the 1SS so it was almost a no brainer for me. I called my dealer and switched my order to the 1SS and boy am I glad I did.

If I was in the same boat I would have went 1SS as well 1700 difference is nothing.

[Camden45]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

If I was in the same boat I would have went 1SS as well 1700 difference is nothing.

LT1 absolutely doesn't make any sense once you start adding any kind of options. Only way that trim works is if you buy it barebones, and it satisfies your needs.

[Two Lane Black Top]

Originally Posted by Evergreen6

I'm hearing GM's plans for the Camaro are uncertain after the 2023 MY. I'd like to have a 6th gen before they're gone. This wouldn't be a primary car for me, just something for fun and nice weather days. I don't want to spend a mint on it.

Same here, definitely understand the dilemma.

I'm stuck wondering if I'd regret not getting an SS.

If you're wondering, in my opinion that's an excellent signal to strongly consider the 1SS.

And I can't decide between auto or manual. I've driven manual for years and years but GM's 10-speed is so good.

This might help; rent a 10-speed for a few days and see if you're satisfied. Like yourself have rowed gears for a long time and wondered the same. Rented a 2SS Convertible 10 speed for four days and put ~500 miles on it. The 10 speed is awesome.

1) If driving much city traffic with bumper to bumper, favors the 10 speed.

2) Any left knee issues, favor the 10 speed

3) fun driving, in my opinion favors the six speed

Personally, leaning towards the six speed myself.

I like the front fascia of the SS better, but, it's just a bumper cover. What am I not thinking of?

Vehicle color playing a role? Graphics, stripes etc playing a role.

The LT1/RS package in shadow gray metallic or steel metallic etc can look surprisingly good in my opinion. Light colors less so in my opinion.

Most folks will probably favor the SS grill over time. If keeping the car for a good while, get the one with the one you like best.

Despite the loss of performance, I'd rather have all-season tires. I live on a gravel drive and summer tires make the gravel stick to them. How hard am I really going to push this car on the street -- not very.

Thoughts?

That seems to makes a good argument for protective film regardless of tires on car.