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ApexedSS · 02-28-2014, 05:24 PM

So Im wondering what the best set up for this car is in regards to seatbelts. Im tired of sliding around in the canyons and on the track. Dont want to put a Sparco in my DD either. Kinda weird our drivers side belts dont lock when you pull them all the way out.

What is everybody running?

CG lock?

Schroth harness with ASM? https://www.schrothracing.com/tuning/rallye/rallye-4

- Are the mounting points in the back seat at the right angle? Or will I need a harness bar?

JOHNSONROD · 02-28-2014, 06:18 PM

i had really good luck with just a simple lap belt. i used a set i got out of a drag car but you could get a generic set from a junkyard as log as you use your factory three point for safety. the lap belt is just to hold you in the seat and it works great. you can bolt them where the factory belts bolt. you do have to take the seats out to do it right but thats not a big deal. ill see if i can find and resize a pic. that cg lock angle wing crap is made to seperate you from your money. do yourself a favor and you will feel good after doing a home made mod that works better than anything you can buy.

JOHNSONROD · 02-28-2014, 06:24 PM

here day is

rockrau · 02-28-2014, 07:15 PM

CG lock ! I use it on the road course. Locks in the hips but leaves the shoulder belt free.

cornerspeed92 · 02-28-2014, 07:18 PM

I like mine

ApexedSS · 02-28-2014, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockrau

CG lock ! I use it on the road course. Locks in the hips but leaves the shoulder belt free.

So the shoulder belt still moves around with the CG lock unless braking? Ahh that's too bad. New lap belt is another good option too but I really want to be held in to the seat more since we don't really have any shoulder bolsters in stock seats.

The harnesses should be used with a harness bar to prevent back injuries correct? Are any that will "safely" work with the Camaro without a harness bar?

JOHNSONROD · 02-28-2014, 08:33 PM

it depends on who you ask. i honestly dont know. i was going to make my own 4 point bar that would do what a harness bar would do plus do what a rear shock tower brace would do. i got so many conflicting stories that i dropped over 3 grand for a certified cage, fia seats and 5 point harnesses. i just wanted to be done with all the opinions and different rules for different clubs. i got to admit its awesome and im glad i did it but it really drove me crazy that there was not one definite source for an answer.
go to a track event at the track that you will run and maybe even with the club you plan to run with. possibly contact a local club that looks like they are cool and email their head instructor or inspector. that way you will know for sure what they allow. if its a shorter low risk track, then maybe their rules will reflect that in not being so dramatic since the risk is lower.

toehead93 · 02-28-2014, 10:57 PM

I was looking into the Scroth Rallye 3 with ASM. It looks to be the best upgrade for the cost, it has better support in a crash compared to stock belts and holds you tight in the seat. The rallye 4 will not work due to the angle of the belt being too much.

If you do a 4 point you absolutely need asm or you are asking for severe trouble. If you get. A harness bar and plate, might as well go 5 pr 6 point. Without a proper cage a roll over could be bad because you are strapped in upright but the chances of a rollover are much less than a regular crash.

ApexedSS · 03-01-2014, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toehead93

I was looking into the Scroth Rallye 3 with ASM. It looks to be the best upgrade for the cost, it has better support in a crash compared to stock belts and holds you tight in the seat. The rallye 4 will not work due to the angle of the belt being too much.

If you do a 4 point you absolutely need asm or you are asking for severe trouble. If you get. A harness bar and plate, might as well go 5 pr 6 point. Without a proper cage a roll over could be bad because you are strapped in upright but the chances of a rollover are much less than a regular crash.

Yea I'd like to go with the cheapest , most effective, safest option. That seems to be the Schroth Rallye 3 with ASM. You guys think mounting to the C pillar is OK?

TBone · 03-01-2014, 03:55 PM

No, mounting to the C-pillar will not give you the proper geometry. I looked into it. The least expensive setup I found was a harness bar and use the Schroth Rallye Cross harnesses with ASM. They hold me in my seat very nicely.

I used the harness bar for the shoulder points at the proper geometry and then the stock seat belt point for the lower ones. No need for a tank plate. But in order for this to work you have to get the strap ends like pictured or it won't work.

With the harness bar I am able to keep the proper geometry for the harnesses and I look at it this way, if I am in a roll over, please kill me 'cause I am gonna be PISSED.

T.

boltvette · 03-02-2014, 01:24 PM

Angel pads! Designed to hold your hips in place if you are using a stock seat. A LOT cheaper than a new seat, mounting rails, etc.

Bryan1LE · 03-02-2014, 10:35 PM

You can get the driver's belt to lock if you give it a quick jerk. What I've been doing is slide the seat back a few inches, give the seat belt a quick jerk to lock it, and then slide the seat forward to where I want it. Works great and holds me very securely in the seat.

hcsi99 · 03-06-2014, 01:08 PM

I just ordered the same setup that Cornerspeed92 has, Speedware Motorsports Tank Plates, Harness Bar, and Schroth Prof3 6 Point Harness.

cornerspeed92 · 03-06-2014, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hcsi99

I just ordered the same setup that Cornerspeed92 has, Speedware Motorsports Tank Plates, Harness Bar, and Schroth Prof3 6 Point Harness.

You wont be disappointed

When you do the install make sure you remove your back floor mats,and only loosely start all bolts,then tighten.Please send me pic's with those Recaros,i will have to live vicariously through you

02-28-2014, 05:24 PM	#1
ApexedSS Drives: 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Santa Clarita, CA Posts: 149	Track day Seat belts / Harnesses So Im wondering what the best set up for this car is in regards to seatbelts. Im tired of sliding around in the canyons and on the track. Dont want to put a Sparco in my DD either. Kinda weird our drivers side belts dont lock when you pull them all the way out. What is everybody running? CG lock? Schroth harness with ASM? https://www.schrothracing.com/tuning/rallye/rallye-4 - Are the mounting points in the back seat at the right angle? Or will I need a harness bar?

02-28-2014, 06:24 PM	#3
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02-28-2014, 07:18 PM	#5
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02-28-2014, 10:57 PM	#8
toehead93 Drives: 2014 2SS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: wpb fl Posts: 3,136 View My Garage	I was looking into the Scroth Rallye 3 with ASM. It looks to be the best upgrade for the cost, it has better support in a crash compared to stock belts and holds you tight in the seat. The rallye 4 will not work due to the angle of the belt being too much. If you do a 4 point you absolutely need asm or you are asking for severe trouble. If you get. A harness bar and plate, might as well go 5 pr 6 point. Without a proper cage a roll over could be bad because you are strapped in upright but the chances of a rollover are much less than a regular crash. __________________ Used Racing Brake 2 Peice Rotors for sale: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344754 Summit White 2014 2SS 1LE Recaros, NPP exhaust, Nav 2010 2SS A6 - sold.

03-01-2014, 03:55 PM	#10
TBone Negative Camber Junkie Drives: 2010 1SS LS3/6MN ABM 1 of 23 Join Date: May 2009 Location: ChiTown, IL Posts: 1,824	No, mounting to the C-pillar will not give you the proper geometry. I looked into it. The least expensive setup I found was a harness bar and use the Schroth Rallye Cross harnesses with ASM. They hold me in my seat very nicely. I used the harness bar for the shoulder points at the proper geometry and then the stock seat belt point for the lower ones. No need for a tank plate. But in order for this to work you have to get the strap ends like pictured or it won't work. With the harness bar I am able to keep the proper geometry for the harnesses and I look at it this way, if I am in a roll over, please kill me 'cause I am gonna be PISSED. T. __________________ "Horsepower is something that looks great in a Magazine article, but suspension is what actually gets you around the track fast.." Jack Olsen The drag strip is like sniffing glue, it's cheap, it's a decent buzz, it doesn't last long and they are all the same. Road racing is like China White Heroin, the buzz is stronger, the high lasts for hours, it's extremely addictive and they are all different. I can't wait for my next Track fix. DA HAWKS OWN DA CUP!!!!!

02-28-2014, 06:18 PM	#2
JOHNSONROD Drives: 62 Chevy & 2021 1SS/1LE manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 893	i had really good luck with just a simple lap belt. i used a set i got out of a drag car but you could get a generic set from a junkyard as log as you use your factory three point for safety. the lap belt is just to hold you in the seat and it works great. you can bolt them where the factory belts bolt. you do have to take the seats out to do it right but thats not a big deal. ill see if i can find and resize a pic. that cg lock angle wing crap is made to seperate you from your money. do yourself a favor and you will feel good after doing a home made mod that works better than anything you can buy.

02-28-2014, 07:15 PM	#4
rockrau Drives: 2010 2ss red LS3 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: perkasie pa Posts: 533	CG lock ! I use it on the road course. Locks in the hips but leaves the shoulder belt free.

02-28-2014, 08:33 PM	#7
JOHNSONROD Drives: 62 Chevy & 2021 1SS/1LE manual Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 893	it depends on who you ask. i honestly dont know. i was going to make my own 4 point bar that would do what a harness bar would do plus do what a rear shock tower brace would do. i got so many conflicting stories that i dropped over 3 grand for a certified cage, fia seats and 5 point harnesses. i just wanted to be done with all the opinions and different rules for different clubs. i got to admit its awesome and im glad i did it but it really drove me crazy that there was not one definite source for an answer. go to a track event at the track that you will run and maybe even with the club you plan to run with. possibly contact a local club that looks like they are cool and email their head instructor or inspector. that way you will know for sure what they allow. if its a shorter low risk track, then maybe their rules will reflect that in not being so dramatic since the risk is lower.

03-02-2014, 01:24 PM	#11
boltvette Drives: 1963 Corvette, 2001 Corvette Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 285	Angel pads! Designed to hold your hips in place if you are using a stock seat. A LOT cheaper than a new seat, mounting rails, etc. __________________ 2-seater "Camaro" w/JMS Racing LS3; C5 Z06 trans; C6 ZR1 exhaust; Dynatech catback; Ron Davis radiator; trans, diff & engine oil coolers; Pfadt JOC Stage 1 bars & shocks; C6 Z51 brakes; Angelwings C5 Track Day Bar; Angel Pads!

03-02-2014, 10:35 PM	#12
Bryan1LE Drives: 2013 Camaro 1LE Black Join Date: May 2013 Location: Dublin, OH Posts: 34	You can get the driver's belt to lock if you give it a quick jerk. What I've been doing is slide the seat back a few inches, give the seat belt a quick jerk to lock it, and then slide the seat forward to where I want it. Works great and holds me very securely in the seat.

03-06-2014, 01:08 PM	#13
hcsi99 Cadillac Service Manager Drives: 2014 Camaro 1SS, 1LE, NPP, RECAROS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Indiana Posts: 672 View My Garage	I just ordered the same setup that Cornerspeed92 has, Speedware Motorsports Tank Plates, Harness Bar, and Schroth Prof3 6 Point Harness. __________________