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ttshovel · 07-19-2020, 10:41 AM

well the sbe 6.0 didn't survive tuning. We lost crank sync at 8k rpms due to rfi it picked up after changing to brisk plugs. Its still in one piece, just rattles hard

So here's what we're doing. Everything is bought and goes to the machine shop this week. Theyre assembling the shortblock and im doing the rest.

Lsx block (416ci)
K1 crank 4" stroke
Oliver billet rods
Wiseco k448x7 pistons w/ s718 pins
12.3:1 compression
Frankenstein f310 heads with 1207x springs @1.75 height and inconel exhaust valves
John bewley specd cam- .669/.669, 243/249 on a 116+5
Moroso 20143 oil pan
Ca 625 head studs
Reusing the cid 5.0 16 injector intake
Athena gaskets

Adding a 325pph billet atomizer in charge pipe to try and cool iats/equalize the fueling to the center cylinders. Keeping the gt55 94mm but going to a 1.40 housing from the 1.12.

Should be back in the car and tuning by the end of next month. Love to hear what you guys think! Coming soon, 4 second passes!

hammdo · 07-19-2020, 10:59 AM

Ooo... man that will be some power!

Frankenstein is just a couple hrs from me...

Is that a ‘Happy Hooker’ I see?

-Don

dreksnot · 07-20-2020, 02:44 PM

FMI question (for my information). Were those brisk plugs non-resistor and you didn't have resistor caps on them, thus the electrical interference from them killed the crank signal?

ttshovel · 07-20-2020, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dreksnot

FMI question (for my information). Were those brisk plugs non-resistor and you didn't have resistor caps on them, thus the electrical interference from them killed the crank signal?

They were a resistor plug. Looking through all my logs, loss of sync only appears after plug change. The crank signal wires were not shielded on this harness... they are now

Juiced1 · 07-22-2020, 01:40 PM

Should be a beast. Good luck with the build.

stevieturbo · 07-24-2020, 09:29 AM

Generally speaking, it's no big deal if hall sensor wiring is not shielded, as the square wave output is pretty robust in terms of interference.

Where any of the plug wires running near or parallel with the crank sensor wiring ?

Not worth throwing another SBE into it ?

ttshovel · 07-24-2020, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieturbo

Generally speaking, it's no big deal if hall sensor wiring is not shielded, as the square wave output is pretty robust in terms of interference.

Where any of the plug wires running near or parallel with the crank sensor wiring ?

Not worth throwing another SBE into it ?

Agreed. I ran the new shielded wires way out of the way of the wires now. But it definitely showed no issue until plug change. I will be throwing ngk plugs back in it and if it persists a crank trigger will be added

We were running 35psi through the sbe/stock heads deal for a while. I feel to take it to the next level it needed more cubes/compression and most definitely an aftermarket block.

eLeSthree · 07-28-2020, 05:20 AM

Badass. 17 injectors? Thats crazy. What kind of fuel are you using to run that much compression?

Curious what made you chose the K1 crank. I mean I have one also, so I'm not knocking it, but they seem to be on the less expensive side. With that block and those rods, I was expecting to see a magnum or dragonslayer in there. Being a turbo setup should be much easier on it tho.

I think its amazing what you've done with the sbe ly6, so I would say Good luck, but you dont need it.

ttshovel · 07-28-2020, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by eLeSthree

Badass. 17 injectors? Thats crazy. What kind of fuel are you using to run that much compression?

Curious what made you chose the K1 crank. I mean I have one also, so I'm not knocking it, but they seem to be on the less expensive side. With that block and those rods, I was expecting to see a magnum or dragonslayer in there. Being a turbo setup should be much easier on it tho.

I think its amazing what you've done with the sbe ly6, so I would say Good luck, but you dont need it.

Straight m1 for fuel. I needed to draw a line somewhere for expense right now. So whenever this gets refreshed I will put like a magnum ccw in it or a winberg/Bryant.

A lot of people don't know that the dragonslayer and compstar are the same crank. Only difference is one is finish machined in the US vs China. I only know this as callies is 30 min away from me and know several people that work there

stevieturbo · 07-28-2020, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ttshovel

Straight m1 for fuel. I needed to draw a line somewhere for expense right now. So whenever this gets refreshed I will put like a magnum ccw in it or a winberg/Bryant.

A lot of people don't know that the dragonslayer and compstar are the same crank. Only difference is one is finish machined in the US vs China. I only know this as callies is 30 min away from me and know several people that work there

Visually the two are quite different, that may or not just be machining. But I've both here, DS in the car and a CS sitting on the shelf.
Even colouration of the two would be different.

Although with the offerings of cheaper CCW's from Dart and Callies, they would be hard to overlook for a build.

ttshovel · 07-28-2020, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieturbo

Visually the two are quite different, that may or not just be machining. But I've both here, DS in the car and a CS sitting on the shelf.
Even colouration of the two would be different.

Although with the offerings of cheaper CCW's from Dart and Callies, they would be hard to overlook for a build.

Again, this is what im told by people that work there. Never seen the 2 side by side personally. Could be a different finish machining process altogether creating the color change? I'd have to ask them the specifics

ZX1truth · 08-07-2020, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ttshovel

Straight m1 for fuel. I needed to draw a line somewhere for expense right now. So whenever this gets refreshed I will put like a magnum ccw in it or a winberg/Bryant.

A lot of people don't know that the dragonslayer and compstar are the same crank. Only difference is one is finish machined in the US vs China. I only know this as callies is 30 min away from me and know several people that work there

I went with Callies Magnum CCW and Ultra rods for added security in my LSX427 TT. Everyone that I know that runs them has had trouble free experiences.

ttshovel · 08-08-2020, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ZX1truth

I went with Callies Magnum CCW and Ultra rods for added security in my LSX427 TT. Everyone that I know that runs them has had trouble free experiences.

I will definitely with that crank when it comes time to refreshen this one.

On a side note. I got it from the machine shop and 3/4 of the way put together last night. Will just be waiting on pushrods

Big Biscuits · 08-08-2020, 04:55 PM

What lifters are you using?

07-19-2020, 10:41 AM	#1
ttshovel Drives: 12 camaro ss, 72 chevelle, 91camaro Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: findlay,oh Posts: 2,069	Sbe didn't survive... well the sbe 6.0 didn't survive tuning. We lost crank sync at 8k rpms due to rfi it picked up after changing to brisk plugs. Its still in one piece, just rattles hard So here's what we're doing. Everything is bought and goes to the machine shop this week. Theyre assembling the shortblock and im doing the rest. Lsx block (416ci) K1 crank 4" stroke Oliver billet rods Wiseco k448x7 pistons w/ s718 pins 12.3:1 compression Frankenstein f310 heads with 1207x springs @1.75 height and inconel exhaust valves John bewley specd cam- .669/.669, 243/249 on a 116+5 Moroso 20143 oil pan Ca 625 head studs Reusing the cid 5.0 16 injector intake Athena gaskets Adding a 325pph billet atomizer in charge pipe to try and cool iats/equalize the fueling to the center cylinders. Keeping the gt55 94mm but going to a 1.40 housing from the 1.12. Should be back in the car and tuning by the end of next month. Love to hear what you guys think! Coming soon, 4 second passes! Attached Images __________________ 12 camaro ss 427lsx, th400, f310 heads, crower shaft mounts, gpi specd solid roller, shearerfab 2k hp a/w, twin bullseye 88mm turbos, hughes pro ssx bolt together converter, holley dominator, 8.50 cert, backhalf, Ford 9", 33x17x16 tires, c16 fuel Last edited by ttshovel; 07-20-2020 at 03:42 PM.

07-19-2020, 10:59 AM	#2
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,694 View My Garage	Ooo... man that will be some power! Frankenstein is just a couple hrs from me... Is that a ‘Happy Hooker’ I see? -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

07-20-2020, 02:44 PM	#3
dreksnot Served USN - Atomic Chimp Drives: 13 Camaro LSX434 TT M6, 21 ZLE A10 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 1,603 View My Garage	FMI question (for my information). Were those brisk plugs non-resistor and you didn't have resistor caps on them, thus the electrical interference from them killed the crank signal? __________________ In excess of 1,000WHP LSX434 \| AGP 65/65 TT \| BTR Equalizer Intake \| Trickflow 245cc cathedral \| BTR custom cam \| Cortex EBC \| n2mb WOT \| ID-1700x \| Brisk GR12S \| RPM Lv 7 TR6060 \| AGP's Triple 525LPH Fore Fuel \| Monster LT1-S Triple \| 4.11 DSS Proform 9", CF driveshaft, 1400hp axles \| Hurst Line Lock \| MGW Retro Short Throw w/old skool Hurst T-handle \| ADM solid subframe mounts \| Prothane Motor Mounts \| Revshift Poly Trans insert \| Moreno camber/caster plates

07-28-2020, 05:20 AM	#8
eLeSthree Drives: 2011 Camaro SS 6sp Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Drivers Seat Posts: 1,904	Badass. 17 injectors? Thats crazy. What kind of fuel are you using to run that much compression? Curious what made you chose the K1 crank. I mean I have one also, so I'm not knocking it, but they seem to be on the less expensive side. With that block and those rods, I was expecting to see a magnum or dragonslayer in there. Being a turbo setup should be much easier on it tho. I think its amazing what you've done with the sbe ly6, so I would say Good luck, but you dont need it. __________________ 2011 Camaro SS---SOLD TMS Dart 427 FED M311s, ESS Tuning G4 Blower, DSX Triple FP Assembly, DSX FF, FIC1300, Mcleod RXT 1200HD, Edlebrock Pro Flo XT 1158whp 1017wtq. 2010 CTS-V A6 - "Stock" SOLD 630whp 658wtq 2024 F-150 RCSB 5.0 4x4 waiting for tunes...

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Big Biscuits Drives: 2010 1SS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Waxahachie, TX Posts: 276	What lifters are you using? __________________ 2010 CGM 1SS 408/4L80E/ZL1 ESS G4

07-22-2020, 01:40 PM	#5
Juiced1 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 2SS CAMARO 45th Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: St. Charles, IL Posts: 18,663	Should be a beast. Good luck with the build.

07-24-2020, 09:29 AM	#6
stevieturbo Drives: it changes Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 1,126	Generally speaking, it's no big deal if hall sensor wiring is not shielded, as the square wave output is pretty robust in terms of interference. Where any of the plug wires running near or parallel with the crank sensor wiring ? Not worth throwing another SBE into it ?