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TITANSFAN · 03-25-2020, 12:00 AM

The deal was too hard to pass up. Had them upgrade me to their long block kit.
TMS edition Frankenstien Engine Dynamics M311 cnc’d 6 bolt heads with the stainless valves, .660 platinum springs, ARP studs, TMS high rpm lifters and guides, pushrods, comp upgraded rockers.

I questioned the comp rocker trunion upgrade. Asked why not a bushing kit. They said they havent had any failures and will warranty the motor for 1300hp for 12 months. Kinda hard to argue with that....

Pretty excited as this is first time I have purchased a motor instead of building it myself.[/QUOTE]

I have the same engine on order myself. These should be bulletproof. The only thing I didn't ask about, was upgrading to the shaft rockers. I had the short block upgraded to their 1800 hp setup. I now wonder if the shaft setup would be worth the money, that and maybe the 1/2" head studs.

eLeSthree · 03-25-2020, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TITANSFAN

The deal was too hard to pass up. Had them upgrade me to their long block kit.
TMS edition Frankenstien Engine Dynamics M311 cnc’d 6 bolt heads with the stainless valves, .660 platinum springs, ARP studs, TMS high rpm lifters and guides, pushrods, comp upgraded rockers.

I questioned the comp rocker trunion upgrade. Asked why not a bushing kit. They said they havent had any failures and will warranty the motor for 1300hp for 12 months. Kinda hard to argue with that....

Pretty excited as this is first time I have purchased a motor instead of building it myself.

I have the same engine on order myself. These should be bulletproof. The only thing I didn't ask about, was upgrading to the shaft rockers. I had the short block upgraded to their 1800 hp setup. I now wonder if the shaft setup would be worth the money, that and maybe the 1/2" head studs.

I havent seen an 1800 hp package, but I did speak to Dustin about possibly upgrading to their 1500, which is basically adding a callies CCW crank and Carrillo Bullet rods. Lets just say he has guys pushing these (even with the K1 crank) to 1700whp in turbo apps. I decided to save my money.

Waiting will be the hard part.

racesloth · 03-25-2020, 10:50 AM

eleSthree,

What you are buying you can put the boost to with confidence.... Glad your shortblock found a new home... LS3 with a road racing cam is a potent combination.

stevieturbo · 03-25-2020, 12:51 PM

I'd be wanting inconel or equivalent exhaust valves. I would not do a turbo setup with regular stainless valves.

TITANSFAN · 03-25-2020, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by eLeSthree

I havent seen an 1800 hp package, but I did speak to Dustin about possibly upgrading to their 1500, which is basically adding a callies CCW crank and Carrillo Bullet rods. Lets just say he has guys pushing these (even with the K1 crank) to 1700whp in turbo apps. I decided to save my money.

Waiting will be the hard part.

eLeSthree look up their Outlaw 1800HP short block. They don't list this one in their long blocks. You can upgrade their long blocks with any of their short blocks.

racesloth · 03-26-2020, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieturbo

I'd be wanting inconel or equivalent exhaust valves. I would not do a turbo setup with regular stainless valves.

I used the Manley severe duty Stainless valves...$270 for a set of exhaust. Manley extreme duty a $100 more.

"Ultimate tensile strength of XH-428 (severe duty material) at 1500°F is nearly double the competitors’ EV-8."

racesloth · 03-26-2020, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TITANSFAN

eLeSthree look up their Outlaw 1800HP short block. They don't list this one in their long blocks. You can upgrade their long blocks with any of their short blocks.

The 1800hp option is listed under their shortblock aftermarket block section.

stevieturbo · 03-26-2020, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by racesloth

I used the Manley severe duty Stainless valves...$270 for a set of exhaust. Manley extreme duty a $100 more.

"Ultimate tensile strength of XH-428 (severe duty material) at 1500°F is nearly double the competitors’ EV-8."

Some different brands do claim their own special materials, Ferrea call theirs a Super Alloy.

But like your Manley's, they're over and above the regular stainless valve offerings.
But they're all in the inconel range of materials.

racesloth · 03-30-2020, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieturbo

Some different brands do claim their own special materials, Ferrea call theirs a Super Alloy.

But like your Manley's, they're over and above the regular stainless valve offerings.
But they're all in the inconel range of materials.

That is what I figured their own "exotic" blend of iconel.

eLeSthree · 03-30-2020, 08:45 AM

Are you guys saying not to run boost on these stainless valves?

racesloth · 03-30-2020, 10:21 AM

No, just get the upgraded stainless. The Manley extreme duty stainless is for top alcohol and top fuel.

For comfort call Frankenstein and check on the valves the 11deg heads come with and what boost levels he recommends for them.

ttshovel · 03-30-2020, 10:33 AM

Agreed. They might not be an issue for a while but eventually they will tulip

eLeSthree · 03-30-2020, 10:48 AM

The thompson edition have the Manley Severe Duty SS valves. Am I good?

stevieturbo · 03-30-2020, 11:47 AM

Boost, and turbocharged are different matters.

But the severe duty are not regular stainless valves, yes would be perfectly fine.

Many will use regular cheap stainless valves and are probably fine. I just would not do it myself on a turbo application.

03-25-2020, 10:50 AM	#31
racesloth Dan Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS IOM Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Georgia, USA not the other one Posts: 1,041	eleSthree, What you are buying you can put the boost to with confidence.... Glad your shortblock found a new home... LS3 with a road racing cam is a potent combination. __________________ Dan 2010 IOM SS YSI-B, Pat G Cam, Ported CTS-V Heads, ARH LTs MBRP 3" exhaust http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...&highlight=ysi

03-30-2020, 08:45 AM	#38
eLeSthree Drives: 2011 Camaro SS 6sp Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Drivers Seat Posts: 1,904	Are you guys saying not to run boost on these stainless valves? __________________ 2011 Camaro SS---SOLD TMS Dart 427 FED M311s, ESS Tuning G4 Blower, DSX Triple FP Assembly, DSX FF, FIC1300, Mcleod RXT 1200HD, Edlebrock Pro Flo XT 1158whp 1017wtq. 2010 CTS-V A6 - "Stock" SOLD 630whp 658wtq 2024 F-150 RCSB 5.0 4x4 waiting for tunes...

03-30-2020, 10:21 AM	#39
racesloth Dan Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS IOM Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Georgia, USA not the other one Posts: 1,041	No, just get the upgraded stainless. The Manley extreme duty stainless is for top alcohol and top fuel. For comfort call Frankenstein and check on the valves the 11deg heads come with and what boost levels he recommends for them. __________________ Dan 2010 IOM SS YSI-B, Pat G Cam, Ported CTS-V Heads, ARH LTs MBRP 3" exhaust http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...&highlight=ysi

03-30-2020, 10:33 AM	#40
ttshovel Drives: 12 camaro ss, 72 chevelle, 91camaro Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: findlay,oh Posts: 2,069	Agreed. They might not be an issue for a while but eventually they will tulip __________________ 12 camaro ss 427lsx, th400, f310 heads, crower shaft mounts, gpi specd solid roller, shearerfab 2k hp a/w, twin bullseye 88mm turbos, hughes pro ssx bolt together converter, holley dominator, 8.50 cert, backhalf, Ford 9", 33x17x16 tires, c16 fuel

03-30-2020, 10:48 AM	#41
eLeSthree Drives: 2011 Camaro SS 6sp Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Drivers Seat Posts: 1,904	The thompson edition have the Manley Severe Duty SS valves. Am I good? __________________ 2011 Camaro SS---SOLD TMS Dart 427 FED M311s, ESS Tuning G4 Blower, DSX Triple FP Assembly, DSX FF, FIC1300, Mcleod RXT 1200HD, Edlebrock Pro Flo XT 1158whp 1017wtq. 2010 CTS-V A6 - "Stock" SOLD 630whp 658wtq 2024 F-150 RCSB 5.0 4x4 waiting for tunes...

03-25-2020, 12:00 AM	#29
TITANSFAN Drives: 1970 Pontiac Firebird L8T Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: MAYNARDVILLE, TN Posts: 73	The deal was too hard to pass up. Had them upgrade me to their long block kit. TMS edition Frankenstien Engine Dynamics M311 cnc’d 6 bolt heads with the stainless valves, .660 platinum springs, ARP studs, TMS high rpm lifters and guides, pushrods, comp upgraded rockers. I questioned the comp rocker trunion upgrade. Asked why not a bushing kit. They said they havent had any failures and will warranty the motor for 1300hp for 12 months. Kinda hard to argue with that.... Pretty excited as this is first time I have purchased a motor instead of building it myself.[/QUOTE] I have the same engine on order myself. These should be bulletproof. The only thing I didn't ask about, was upgrading to the shaft rockers. I had the short block upgraded to their 1800 hp setup. I now wonder if the shaft setup would be worth the money, that and maybe the 1/2" head studs.

03-25-2020, 12:51 PM	#32
stevieturbo Drives: it changes Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 1,126	I'd be wanting inconel or equivalent exhaust valves. I would not do a turbo setup with regular stainless valves.

03-30-2020, 11:47 AM	#42
stevieturbo Drives: it changes Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Norn Iron Posts: 1,126	Boost, and turbocharged are different matters. But the severe duty are not regular stainless valves, yes would be perfectly fine. Many will use regular cheap stainless valves and are probably fine. I just would not do it myself on a turbo application.