Which blower is best?

[The_bald_eagle_machine]

Originally Posted by Surfdog SS

That is definitely I great start but just be prepared to not reach your desired goals. I didn't reach those numbers. That's why I'm waiting to get back in the shop...it's still a huge upgrade compared to what it was though.
Are you planning to do the install yourself? I didn't see labor and tune in there.

Yeah, I am not expecting anything in particular. I am just thinking around 600... ish. It's not really gonna make or break me. I'm not chasing big HP. If I was I would have went twin turbo.

I am planning to do the install myself, looking through the instruction manual, the only thing that seems daunting to me is drilling the crank pin honestly. I'll probably install everything myself and then have it towed to the tuning shop and let him figure everything out on his end. Once I have everything in hand I will call my tuner as he may have issues with me installing some of the parts before bringing it in to him. It's a big name shop so the owner doesn't like to mess around.

I remember when I finished my ls swapped Trans am. I had a cammed 5.3 iron block, tremec t56 magnum, moser 9 inch rear end, etc... When I called around to the various tuning shops, Redline Motorsports included(Who is currently my tuner)... They would not touch the car. They didn't want to be liable for any damages on the dyno. I think I remember Howard at Redline telling me he would tune it but he wanted triple the normal rate because he said that he would have to spend alot of time and energy perfecting the tune and learning the cam... So I paid some guy on Craigslist to tune it and it ran like crap. So I will talk to my tuner before I do the install to get his feedback on everything.

[The_bald_eagle_machine]

The car in question that noone would touch... To me this is the kinda car that I think every hotrod guy would wanna mess around with.

[Beefsquatch]

Originally Posted by The_bald_eagle_machine

Well... I did it. Unfortunately with the Whipple it just wasn't as much money as I wanted to spend. As soon as I considered buying the whipple, then injectors, then fuel pump, and whatever misc... I just couldn't do it.

I did however, order the Torqstorm blower with a 3.1 pulley, 850cc FIC injectors, and a ZL1 fuel pump. I will also be ordering an intercooler kit from Mr.Bling motorsports once I am able to gather some more funds. I am gonna go with his kit because that is what Torqstorm recommended and the kit is specifically designed for the torqstorm blower. I think that this setup will make all the power that I want personally. I can't afford to be slaying tires, and burning up clutches making BIG power. This is a Legit Street car after all.

Follow-up question... I am wondering if my TSP High flow cats can handle the boost? I will have to reach out to them and find out.

No Cats, Youll still burn through 1st and 2nd lol the right intercooler is KEY...treadstone or The mishimoto core are your best bets. depending on your cam youll end up like me on the edge of your fuel system... have part 2 of your plan in the works, whether meth/ dual-triple pumps/ or aux pumps. I enjoy the hell outta mine!

[Surfdog SS]

That's what I was hoping to be around but unfortunately without the cam I'm not getting there. Good luck let us know how it goes cause if Howard can get you there I may make the 8 hour drive round trip for him to tune it.

[The_bald_eagle_machine]

Originally Posted by Beefsquatch

No Cats, Youll still burn through 1st and 2nd lol the right intercooler is KEY...treadstone or The mishimoto core are your best bets. depending on your cam youll end up like me on the edge of your fuel system... have part 2 of your plan in the works, whether meth/ dual-triple pumps/ or aux pumps. I enjoy the hell outta mine!

So I spoke to the technical team over at TSP. This is verbatim what they told me.
"There are no HP ratings for cats really. The main issue they have issue is due to running an overly rich afr especially on e85. The extra fuel that isn't burned builds up on the catalyst and can melt it down. This can happen to any converter though. Usually youll see issues with O2 sensors also the same way.
For your power range it wont be an issue as long as your tuner doesn't purposely target a very rich afr. Ideally with Ethanol fuels .82 lambda is max necessary especially for what youre running. .84 would be better but all depends on what the car likes. "

In a second email he recommended an AFR of around 11.7-11.9 afr or .82 lambda and I shouldn't have any issues with the cats.

Also, the Mr.Bling kit does use a Treadstone intercooler so that seems the way to go. I am already mentally preparing myself for a clutch, and cam setup in the near future as well. Maybe I will drive with just the blower for awhile and see how I like it.

[The_bald_eagle_machine]

Originally Posted by Surfdog SS

That's what I was hoping to be around but unfortunately without the cam I'm not getting there. Good luck let us know how it goes cause if Howard can get you there I may make the 8 hour drive round trip for him to tune it.

Howard got me 430rwhp and 426 ft.lbs with just headers, exhaust, cold air intake with his tune... I see cammed cars only making 450 on here. You should see Howards car collection. He is a true 5th gen Camaro nut. I believe he currently owns 5 5th gens. One of which is a twin turbo AGP car, another is a SEMA build that he has a ton of magazine entries for. I think he is what I would consider a 5th gen Camaro specialist. Definitely worth it in my opinion.

[Surfdog SS]

Originally Posted by The_bald_eagle_machine

Howard got me 430rwhp and 426 ft.lbs with just headers, exhaust, cold air intake with his tune... I see cammed cars only making 450 on here. You should see Howards car collection. He is a true 5th gen Camaro nut. I believe he currently owns 5 5th gens. One of which is a twin turbo AGP car, another is a SEMA build that he has a ton of magazine entries for. I think he is what I would consider a 5th gen Camaro specialist. Definitely worth it in my opinion.

That's pretty good I only made 400 on a mustang dyno with those mods. Then when I had the ecs 1500 kit on another mustang dyno made the same baseline and then 550 after. We shall see how it all comes together next month when I get in the shop again for the cam and flex fuel.
Once everything is done mod wise I will probably bring it to him if I'm not happy with the tune.

[Bildo]

Watching quietly in procharger F1A land.

[brettstoner]

This is a fantastic thread with lots of good information. I am several years out for a supercharger myself once I get the kitchen remodeling project done at home and free up some fun money. I am still struggling with which PD blower myself. What power level do I target? I am wondering at what point is it too much HP for a DD street use? At what point is too much hp/tq not fun on the street anymore? Even when running drag radials like MT ET Streets or Nitto 555R. Is a 700-800 hp car any faster on the street then a 600 hp? At what point are you happy with your power level? So then can I plan what size blower to get.

[CamaroCracka]

I'm running 700 and it will get sideways in first and second if you don't lift. The slight bigger turbo is more well mannered and creates less heat under the hood, but when it winds up, traction is gone. PD power comes in much lower, so imagine even 600-650 will light up just about any tire on the street. I run 325/30/20 Sport Cup2s on the street and while they are a road course tire, they are pretty soft. A drag radial with some sidewall would probably do better, but not by a lot.

[eLeSthree]

Originally Posted by brettstoner

This is a fantastic thread with lots of good information. I am several years out for a supercharger myself once I get the kitchen remodeling project done at home and free up some fun money. I am still struggling with which PD blower myself. What power level do I target? I am wondering at what point is it too much HP for a DD street use? At what point is too much hp/tq not fun on the street anymore? Even when running drag radials like MT ET Streets or Nitto 555R. Is a 700-800 hp car any faster on the street then a 600 hp? At what point are you happy with your power level? So then can I plan what size blower to get.

Good questions. Myself included, many people over power their street cars to the point that the stock chassis and lack of traction force them into 60mph roll races. I think I enjoyed my Camaro more when it had 750-800whp and 18inch ET Rs, but I still couldnt drive it in the rain.

Originally Posted by CamaroCracka

I'm running 700 and it will get sideways in first and second if you don't lift. The slight bigger turbo is more well mannered and creates less heat under the hood, but when it winds up, traction is gone. PD power comes in much lower, so imagine even 600-650 will light up just about any tire on the street. I run 325/30/20 Sport Cup2s on the street and while they are a road course tire, they are pretty soft. A drag radial with some sidewall would probably do better, but not by a lot.

That's right where I'm at with the CTS-V (620whp). Its an Auto on regular street tires and its definitely traction limited. Being an Automatic, its much easier to manage tire spin and keep the car moving forward. In the over powered camaro, once the tires spun (which could happen at 100mph), I was forced to lift or bounce off the limiter. Not much fun for a street car. The V will always wear a rain friendly tire. Once these crappy All Seasons are done, I'm thinking NT555R2.

The stock clutch on the camaro will live until you put on drag radials. Mine went out a few weeks after I slapped on some ET Street SS rears. Around 700whp. (also sucked in the rain)

[fz4k98]

I have a whipple and it dynod 610 rwhp. For the street it is too much power for any tire but is fun to drive. Just use the throttle to drive it. Even drag radials spin in 1st until warmed up.

Stock drivetrain handled it until i put drag radials on it, then it was break parts time. The independent rear suspension doesn't create load on the rear tires like other cars i have had.

[brettstoner]

Are you running wide tire or normal street tire on your CTS-V? I am only heads/cam and with normal tire and I am traction limited right now. I am probably 200 hp less then you and need to swtich to wide tire next year to help the 0-60 / 60ft times. I know I need suspension work to tighten up the LCAs, rear cradle, etc. to help as well. On my previous ride I liked the ET Streets better then the 555r but I need to switch to wider rear rims first.

My original plan was to go LSA because you can pick them up relatively cheap. But the more research I do the more I lean towards a Maggie Heartbeat or maybe even a Whipple. Won't be fighting IATs so much by overworking the blower.

[brettstoner]

Originally Posted by fz4k98

I have a whipple and it dynod 610 rwhp. For the street it is too much power for any tire but is fun to drive. Just use the throttle to drive it. Even drag radials spin in 1st until warmed up.

Stock drivetrain handled it until i put drag radials on it, then it was break parts time. The independent rear suspension doesn't create load on the rear tires like other cars i have had.

I suppose it is like anything. Once you step up to the next power level you have to re-learn how to drive it. When I went heads/cam I thought it was fun. Now that I am use to it now it no longer feels fast. LOL. What size drag radials do you run?