“Mustang been eating our lunch”

[theragtopguy]

The rear end of the new Camaros is absolutely butt ugly. Front end is ok I guess......I will happily take my '15 Green Flash over any of the new ones.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

That is what makes this confusing to me. GM seems to be pretty happy to always point out there low fleet high retail sales. Why in a discussion about sales, did they not mention this at all? The fact he said they want to go after the lower end models makes me think one of the following:

1. the numbers posted above are inaccurate, which I have no proof, I just find it odd that it was not mentioned anywhere in this article, in an article about sales and the head man himself said they want to go after lower trims and win.

2. GM is not happy with the volume despite the higher ATP. All that tells me is they sell more high trims than low trims, but the low trims are the lifeblood of the car.

3. Everything is just taken out of context in this article lol

My guess is a little of 2 and some of 3 - I just copied and pasted the numbers from the other thread as I found them.

I am more interested in if the Camaro is meeting GM's sales targets for platform longevity than I am if it outsells the competition - mostly as personal reason for not wanting to see 100 other cars on the road just like mine when I drive it.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

My guess is a little of 2 and some of 3 - I just copied and pasted the numbers from the other thread as I found them.

I am more interested in if the Camaro is meeting GM's sales targets for platform longevity than I am if it outsells the competition - mostly as personal reason for not wanting to see 100 other cars on the road just like mine when I drive it.

I got you and like I said I have no proof, just find it odd it wasn't mentioned is all, and not trying to say they aren't legit. Just found it odd.

As far as your last point, I would say they might not be hitting their target is they are trying to win back some low end model sales. I would guess they are close, maybe thought it would trend in the right direction but have now noticed that they might need to take some action to try and regain some of that low end business.

[Bhobbs]

Here is my opinion on what's wrong with the 6th gen.

1. They basically copied the 5th gen styling. No matter how good it looked, it was getting stale.

2. They didn't fix the visibility. No matter how many "disciples" they asked, not fixing the visibility was a bad decision.

3. They made it too small. The 6th gen is too tight in the interior.

[torqueaddict]

Originally Posted by shaffe

It is a very important takeaway. IMO that shows they may have put to much focus on the high performance models, when the life line of the car is actually the low end models.

Perhaps the 7th gen can strike a better balance.

I'm not so sure the lifeline is the lower end models. I think the real profit is in the loaded configurations. Could be wrong though.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

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3. They made it too small. The 6th gen is too tight in the interior.

But everyone and their mom complained about the weight also, so they shaved a good few hundred + pounds out of the car.

So what do we want folks? Return closer to the weight of the 5th gen for a bit more space, or less weight = more performance.

The size and weight of this car is exactly what I wanted in the 5th gen...except if they could somehow shoehorn another inch or two of rear leg room it would benefit me, since I have young ones I throw back there from time to time lol.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

But everyone and their mom complained about the weight also, so they shaved a good few hundred + pounds out of the car.

So what do we want folks? Return closer to the weight of the 5th gen for a bit more space, or less weight = more performance.

The size and weight of this car is exactly what I wanted in the 5th gen...except if they could somehow shoehorn another inch or two of rear leg room it would benefit me, since I have young ones I throw back there from time to time lol.

I didn't get a 6th gen because of the size. I would have preferred a slightly bigger car, with a lower belt line and bigger windows.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

But everyone and their mom complained about the weight also, so they shaved a good few hundred + pounds out of the car.

So what do we want folks? Return closer to the weight of the 5th gen for a bit more space, or less weight = more performance.

The size and weight of this car is exactly what I wanted in the 5th gen...except if they could somehow shoehorn another inch or two of rear leg room it would benefit me, since I have young ones I throw back there from time to time lol.

I was thinking the same thing. The 5th gen is too big/heavy. Now the 6th gen is too small. Hilarious.

[snizzle]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

I'm not so sure the lifeline is the lower end models. I think the real profit is in the loaded configurations. Could be wrong though.

If the Camaro was V8 only, there would likely be no Camaro.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Here is my opinion on what's wrong with the 6th gen.

1. They basically copied the 5th gen styling. No matter how good it looked, it was getting stale.

2. They didn't fix the visibility. No matter how many "disciples" they asked, not fixing the visibility was a bad decision.

3. They made it too small. The 6th gen is too tight in the interior.

You nailed it. This is the reason for the poor sales, its not advertising, its not pricing, its not lack of rental sales (if Chevy could market it to Rental Companies they would). Instead of improving on some of the 5th Gens weaker points they made them worse, all the focus was on performance.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by torqueaddict

I'm not so sure the lifeline is the lower end models. I think the real profit is in the loaded configurations. Could be wrong though.

those are the models that probably do make the most profit, but they are not the ones that move the most units.

Camaro Mustang and Challenger all need successful low end trims to survive and be viable

[The camaro show]

I agree price has really gotta change my 2015 2lt was 34k and a 2lt 6th gen would run about 40k. And for a SS just forget it they are just making fools out of themselves wanting 50k for a SS. A SS isn’t that great people definitely not worth the money Chevy asks for them. I forget what it’s called but a dealer is selling brand new mustang gts with superchargers for 40k making 700 hp

[sherob]

Originally Posted by The camaro show

I agree price has really gotta change my 2015 2lt was 34k and a 2lt 6th gen would run about 40k. And for a SS just forget it they are just making fools out of themselves wanting 50k for a SS. A SS isn’t that great people definitely not worth the money Chevy asks for them. I forget what it’s called but a dealer is selling brand new mustang gts with superchargers for 40k making 700 hp

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-lebanon-ford/

[Expunge]

I said it from day one on the 6th gen when GM announced pricing. They are OVERPRICED.

The base price of a 5th gen 1LS was 22K (2013 Price)
The base price of a 6th gen with a v6 is/was 27K

5th gen 1SS - 31K
6th gen 1SS - 37K

5th gen 2SS - 35K
6th gen 2SS - 43K

5th gen ZL1 - 54K
6th gen ZL1 - 61K

When you increase the price on average over 20% and your competitors hold off on increasing their prices to match. Yeah you have a problem.

For 35K you get a nice v6 Camaro. For 35K you get a Mustang GT. Which would you choose?

The only price increase between the 5th gen and 6th gen that I thought was spot on was the ZL1. All other models, overpriced.

My 2 cents.