11-20-2014, 08:37 AM | #57 |
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and i dont think Gm cares about topping the base vette. i dont think many are cross shoppping and the base vette is just that. You want power you step up to a Z.
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11-20-2014, 08:50 AM | #58 |
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So a bunch of outlets are reporting this is not the LF3. It's a version called the LF4.
Which makes sense since the engine in the ATS-V.R is called the LF4.R.
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11-20-2014, 09:35 AM | #59 |
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yes this is the LF4 with all the titanium goodies
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Frankly, all higher end luxury cars are a waste. They're status symbols. Get a car that does what you want. Sedans with the top trim are damn nice by yesterday's standards. If I were looking at a nice sedan as it sounds like you want for the wife, I'd be all over something like a V6 Accord, Acura, or mid level BMW. That's just my tastes/wallet. But if I had $50k+ kicking around, it would be for a pure sports car. Sure as hell wouldn't buy a boat with leather seats. |
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Actually they do. just looking at a local BMW dealer, they are advertising between 2400-and 2900 off on certain 3 series sedans.
Here is a 2015 they are advertising 3200 off the window sticker http://www.billjacobsbmw.com/new/BMW...faba841165.htm The 14s they have left they are knocking quite a bit off. Here is one where they are advertising 4600 off http://www.billjacobsbmw.com/new/BMW...f7c2c79205.htm Now it might not be BMW doing it in ads, but the dealers certainly are offering discounts |
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BTW, there's a large difference between a Manufacturer's Cash Back, and a Dealer Discount, in deed as well as perception. GM has had a lengthy history of packing the MSRP with built-in monies for planned incentives. That sort of situation, when coming from the manufacturer, degrades the validity of the MSRP and contributes to lower ALG percentages, which makes the vehicle look like a riskier deal. NOT what a world-class product should be trying to propagate, imvho. You run risks when selling Caddies the same way you sell Chevs. |
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I'm sure that under 4.0 seconds is with the 8 speed. GM wouldn't keep a better time in their pockets....as Baylor says...that's marketing material.
Doesn't shock me that this engine may be the LF4 instead of the LF3 due to the race version being called "LF4.R" . But that said, I would have no concerns whatsoever in bumping the LF3 to 450+HP and TQ...heck its not far from that anyways, and after market tunes are getting a lot more than that. I just figured they'd tweak the LF3 a bit and move on. The LF3 is a tough engine. This LF4 must be unbreakable then.
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No Way this car will run 11s stock. We don't know the weight , but I'm hearing 3600-3700 lbs. |
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Take a look at the fast lists on this site. Some SSs have run in the 12.5 to 12.7 bone stock with good DA. No reason this car couldn't run 11.9 in the same conditions. Of course if the 3.9s 0 to 60 time is for real.
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It's going to weigh more than a C7 Vette (probaly 200lbs) with pretty much the same HP and Less Torque. Its not going to run 11's stock, not happening.
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