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Old 09-23-2020, 12:27 PM   #15
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As compared to the SS 1LE:

https://www.autoblog.com/2020/09/22/...ec-comparison/
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:29 PM   #16
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Why does it look like a beaver?
Oh my gosh, that just about made me spit out my drink. lol.. It sure does.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:33 PM   #17
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I highly doubt this will be slower than our stock cars. BMW has a bad habit of underestimating their acceleration numbers, a lot. I almost put down a deposit on the new M4, but decided to wait, thankfully. This car is going to be a monster on the streets, take my word for it.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:55 PM   #18
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Slow stock sure, but give that thing a tune and it's as fast as a ZL1.
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Old 09-23-2020, 01:38 PM   #19
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No one will be cross shopping a M4 against a ZL1. Very different buyer segments.
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Old 09-23-2020, 03:25 PM   #20
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No one will be cross shopping a M4 against a ZL1. Very different buyer segments.
Not true. I did, well kinda.

I went from a 16' M3 to the SS 1LE. I could have gone into a new M3, but they suck now. Their driving dynamics , handling are not what they used to be.

My $47K 2SS 1LE kills my $70K M3 in almost every driving dynamic way.
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Old 09-23-2020, 03:31 PM   #21
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That is a one dimensional spreadsheet , only looking at straight-line. What matters more are the details...

Shock damping
Chassis composure at the limits
Traction/stability controls systems
Rear Differential performance
Driver's confidence

These are all areas where the //M brand have been left behind in.
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Old 09-23-2020, 08:16 PM   #22
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Now, Bimmer fans get same painful with our 19's Camaro SS.

BMW shouldn't follow GM idea again although they make their X6 in the right way.
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Old 09-24-2020, 09:32 AM   #23
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Now, Bimmer fans get same painful with our 19's Camaro SS.

BMW shouldn't follow GM idea again although they make their X6 in the right way.
I may be biased but the 19 refresh doesn’t look as bad in comparison to the botch job of the entire M3/M4. Chevy kept the same design, they just didn’t paint match part of the fascia like before
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Old 09-24-2020, 01:06 PM   #24
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It's a shame the 6th gen hasn't sold well. It's performance credentials are more than impressive as stated here.
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Old 09-24-2020, 01:42 PM   #25
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No one will be cross shopping a M4 against a ZL1. Very different buyer segments.
I came from a 435. The obvious upgrade would have been an M3 or M4. Yet the Camaro represents a much better value (and a ****ing dope engine that doesnít sound like an anemic cat from the factory).
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Old 09-24-2020, 10:08 PM   #26
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No one will be cross shopping a M4 against a ZL1. Very different buyer segments.

No to pile on here, but i cross shopped a M2 vs SS 1le. Test drove a SS 1le after the M2, and ended up with the Camaro
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Old 09-24-2020, 10:18 PM   #27
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I may be biased but the 19 refresh doesnít look as bad in comparison to the botch job of the entire M3/M4. Chevy kept the same design, they just didnít paint match part of the fascia like before

The 19 is great, so glad i went to see one in person. And it seems like if one really hated the 19, they would not like the 20 either.


I do wonder if this M3/M4 looks better in person though, i was convinced the bmw e82 1 series was really ugly until i saw it in person and then i bought one new.
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Old 09-25-2020, 01:41 AM   #28
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The 19 is great, so glad i went to see one in person. And it seems like if one really hated the 19, they would not like the 20 either.


I do wonder if this M3/M4 looks better in person though, i was convinced the bmw e82 1 series was really ugly until i saw it in person and then i bought one new.
I like the blacked out fascia myself! It looks very mean and stands out far more than either the previous or updated one.
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