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Old 01-17-2012, 09:03 AM   #29
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Heck, even with the new Mustang that slated to be out...what's the big deal. Ford still makes the slower car. That'll be their top of the line car, where we will have the Corvette ZR1.

Eat tail lights, Ford....
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:06 AM   #30
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Why not both the GT500 and Boss? I'm sure Motortrend could have got both cars. I'm actually pretty impressed with the ZL1. It seems like a very well balanced car. Looking forward to the 2013 GT500 vs 2012 ZL1 showdown!
I think because its already been proven that the Boss is faster around a track than the 500.

I too am looking forward to a full comparo between all models.
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I'm sorry to those posts that were deleted because of quotes. There was some trash to sweap away...

If I remember correctly, unless the Track Key and front splitter were legalized for street-use, this is a car equipped for racetracks that a TRUE streetcar has beaten around this particular track...

KUDOS GM. Considering how much for Ford boys put into the LS, it's great to see GM accomplish what it has with ZL1, and to think this is the first year, it's only going to get better

To those that still complain about the weight with what appears for no regard for anything else: "...Coupled with a stiffer body and more compliant suspension, the Camaro is a more capable car around the track..." I guess that extra weight to make a better car does amount to something...
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With all of the Hype surrounding the ZL1 vs GT500, I would have thought to see a review between the 2. They should have tested it against the GT500
I think that Motor Trend wanted to test the top track cars from Ford and Chevrolet, and the ZL1 and the Boss 302 fit that bill. From the testing that I've seen, it appears that the GT500 is better suited to a straight line than a road course.
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Heck, even with the new Mustang that slated to be out...what's the big deal. Ford still makes the slower car. That'll be their top of the line car, where we will have the Corvette ZR1.

Eat tail lights, Ford....

Good point! If the argument is that they didn't compare the top of the line Ford muscle with the ZL1, then let's go back to the track with the GT500 vs. ZR-1..... I'm just sayin.....
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I want to see 1/4 mile run on the same track at the same time. I mean, how many of us actually run our cars at a track and how many at the strip? LS is a great tool to measure handling performance, but I am a 1/4 kind of person just as most Camaro/Mustang people are. I understand that the Boss is a track car, but I am very interested to see them both at a strip. Last I checked the Boss will be about equal in the 1/4. ZL1 ran 12.3 and the Boss ran the same at 115.
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I want to see 1/4 mile run on the same track at the same time. I mean, how many of us actually run our cars at a track and how many at the strip? LS is a great tool to measure handling performance, but I am a 1/4 kind of person just as most Camaro/Mustang people are. I understand that the Boss is a track car, but I am very interested to see them both at a strip. Last I checked the Boss will be about equal in the 1/4. ZL1 ran 12.3 and the Boss ran the same at 115.
As I've stated many times, from all the of the information I've read about the design of, and the technology that's included in the ZL1, I believe that the ZL1 was developed first and foremost as a track car. If the 1/4 mile is really one's preferred venue, then purchasing a ZL1 may not be the best use of one's money. A lot of the ZL1's technology will be wasted, if one is only going to run a ZL1 at the drag strip. Some variant of the COPO Camaro, or a modified SS, may be a more appropriate use of one's funds, if one wants a Camaro intended primarily for the 1/4 mile.
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I think the article is spot on with all points, I don't see a single error in it.

The Lugana Seca is a faster track car than the current GT500, so they put up their fastest lap time car up against the fastest lap time Camaro. The '13 GT500 comparison to the ZL1 will be interesting.

One of their last statements was also very accurate.... going to need a bigger track. Take the '13 ZL1 and the '13 GT500 over to the 'Ring, and lay the laps down with the same pro driver.

It will also be interesting to see the price point of the GT500. If it's in supercar dollars, take a Z06 and ZR1 along for giggles.
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As I've stated many times, from all the of the information I've read about the design of, and the technology that's included in the ZL1, I believe that the ZL1 was developed first and foremost as a track car. If the 1/4 mile is really one's preferred venue, then purchasing a ZL1 may not be the best use of one's money. A lot of the ZL1's technology will be wasted, if one is only going to run a ZL1 at the drag strip. Some variant of the COPO Camaro, or a modified SS, may be a more appropriate use of one's funds, if one wants a Camaro intended primarily for the 1/4 mile.
I agree 100%.

That's why I backed out of buying a ZL1 and started modding my SS.
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I thought the ZL1 did the quarter in 12.1? I'm sure someone on here is going to break into the 11s without trying too hard
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This article has made more justification to why Motor Trend is junk. Comparing a supercharged ZL-1 to a slightly tuned/naturally aspirated version of the Mustang GT. This was stupid.

I was provided with only the following:

1. The GT500 was either not provided to Motor Trend for this, or they were afraid how poorly the outcome would be.

2. I'm a little scared that a supercharged Camaro can only marginally defeat a tuned Mustang GT. So either Ford did great, or GM didn't do enough?

3. I learned some nice things about the components that make up the ZL-1. But that about it.

Other than that....MT junk. Not hating...just...disappointed.
Not sure i agree with you. The purpose of using the LS is that it is their track car. Just like the Z06 is faster than the ZR 1 At the track despite its 133hp deficit to the ZR1. Keep in mind that the ZL1 has 100 lbs of supercharger and inter cooler on the front end and Chevy had to do a lot of engineering to overcome that weight. If ford had offered up their current gt500 it would have been beaten even worse.
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Power to weight, power to weight... The ZL1 will most likely be way stronger than the new GT500, I don't care what horse power number is being shown. The strength and technology in the ZL1 is what I believe will carry it in the long run. Like most keep stressing, for the money, look at what your getting! I think once it hits the streets and we as consumers get to drive it, it's gonna surprise a lot of people. The wait is almost over, let's not let numbers from a source that's obviously one sided get people upset and doubtful.

And if its just a "track car", then why wouldn't it be perfect for road driving. The streets aren't a drag strip... This cars gonna handle like a dream in any conditions.
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I think the article is spot on with all points, I don't see a single error in it.

The Lugana Seca is a faster track car than the current GT500, so they put up their fastest lap time car up against the fastest lap time Camaro. The '13 GT500 comparison to the ZL1 will be interesting.

One of their last statements was also very accurate.... going to need a bigger track. Take the '13 ZL1 and the '13 GT500 over to the 'Ring, and lay the laps down with the same pro driver.

It will also be interesting to see the price point of the GT500. If it's in supercar dollars, take a Z06 and ZR1 along for giggles.
Spot on and well said.
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Camaro ZL1 beats Boss 302!

Motortrend did their comparison and the ZL1 came out on top!
http://m.motortrend.com/roadtests/co...eca/index.html
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